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  • #31
    Question..

    If you watched the Berlin 100m race IN DETAIL without any knowledge of Tyson's gays season. How would you know this man has a sore groin?


    Do an analysis, tell me when and where wasn't up to scratch. You already know my view, now explain yours.

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    • #32
      wrong restrictions

      if you throw out season, you can also throw out the clock/wind & leave it as pure foot race

      in that, he looks a good runner being pulled away from

      add clock/wind & season, it becomes a guy being excessively pulled away from in 60m

      try again

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      • #33
        Lets say you have the form and technique of the athlete, the race sharpness and the actual speed/power of the athlete for example.

        Which of those was Tyson Gay lacking in Berlin due to this "injury".

        He was more powerful than Powell at the start.. He was as sharp as a razor.. his form was perfect... technique perfect.. Speed endurance astounding. no mistakes! I got all of this from the video and the splits.

        You are the one who has to convince me! I have the data on the top of the page. 9.76 basic.. beaten by Powell and Bolt's times from previous years.

        You have no talk until You or Gay can PROVE otherwise.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by RamGoat
          Lets say you have the form and technique of the athlete, the race sharpness and the actual speed/power of the athlete for example
          no

          you've been main click-thruer for too long at

          http://www.i-am-too-stoopid.com

          any mention of a universal parameter means further click thrus above multiplied

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          • #35
            Originally posted by dakota
            What could Usain Bolt run on the moon?
            Ha! LOL

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            • #36
              Originally posted by eldrick
              you clearly don't observe properly

              in the prelims here he was getting awful starts, not willing to push hard out of the blocks, wanting to save his 1 good possible start for the final & he still didn't get the best of starts exemplified by mismatch of his splits 6.39/3.32

              initial is that of a 9.78 runner, latter is that of a 9.64 guy
              1) Tyson's run in Rome WAS 100% full out, you are not qualified to judge race effort, I am based on experience of athletes/race scenarios

              2) Have you ever yourself ran with a injury? Or how about a sports hernia (which is Tyson's injury...) during a 100m race to know how it feels? If you have no clue about it, dont bother trying to say how much it's worth.

              3) Its very easy to purposely start the way Tyson was in the rounds

              4) Tyson did not have a bad start in the finals

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              • #37
                Originally posted by track_expert
                1) Tyson's run in Rome WAS 100% full out, you are not qualified to judge race effort, I am based on experience of athletes/race scenarios
                no

                reading your inadequate posts thruout this forum, you clearly are not qualified to judge effort

                read bluequiet's post - that is the definitive opinion by a man who definitely is qualified to judge - a former very good sprinter

                2) Have you ever yourself ran with a injury? Or how about a sports hernia (which is Tyson's injury...) during a 100m race to know how it feels? If you have no clue about it, dont bother trying to say how much it's worth.
                no

                i've only repaired hernias after listening to their extensive histories from sufferers

                3) Its very easy to purposely start the way Tyson was in the rounds
                yes it is

                & those slow starts do nothing to ingrain into the muscle memory the bullet start he needed to offer bolt any sort of challenge

                Tyson did not have a bad start in the finals
                it wasn't bad, but it wouda been a faster 60m by 0.02 - 0.03s without the groin injury

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by eldrick
                  Originally posted by track_expert
                  1) Tyson's run in Rome WAS 100% full out, you are not qualified to judge race effort, I am based on experience of athletes/race scenarios
                  no

                  reading your inadequate posts thruout this forum, you clearly are not qualified to judge effort

                  read bluequiet's post - that is the definitive opinion by a man who definitely is qualified to judge - a former very good sprinter

                  2) Have you ever yourself ran with a injury? Or how about a sports hernia (which is Tyson's injury...) during a 100m race to know how it feels? If you have no clue about it, dont bother trying to say how much it's worth.
                  no

                  i've only repaired hernias after listening to their extensive histories from sufferers

                  [quote:i2v44a7z]3) Its very easy to purposely start the way Tyson was in the rounds
                  yes it is

                  & those slow starts do nothing to ingrain into the muscle memory the bullet start he needed to offer bolt any sort of challenge

                  Tyson did not have a bad start in the finals
                  it wasn't bad, but it wouda been a faster 60m by 0.02 - 0.03s without the groin injury[/quote:i2v44a7z]

                  i am not qualified to judge race effort? Based on what? Tyson's run was full out, if you are saying he did a FEF, you are largely mistaken.

                  good to know you've repaired harnias, you still dont understand how it was on Tyson.

                  In the past, having his optimal starts through the rounds has not helped him produce better and better starts later on. Ex. is Powell who had a couple incredible starts/drive phase in the rounds, and always has in the rounds.

                  You think Tyson would be x.xx faster without the injury, then Bolt would have been 0.10 or so faster in the 200 had he not have started his GPP later than expected because he showed more fatigue than in beijing through the rounds.

                  On top of that, regardless of fitness, if he peaks for a single one off 200, he can run sub 19 because there is no fatigue/accumulative fatigue present.

                  disagree?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by track_expert
                    i am not qualified to judge race effort? Based on what?
                    from the undemanding standard of your posts

                    Tyson's run was full out, if you are saying he did a FEF, you are largely mistaken.
                    read & learn from bluequiet

                    undoubtedly the best new poster based on post-quality i've seen here in past 1y

                    good to know you've repaired harnias, you still dont understand how it was on Tyson.
                    after seeing a few 100 in my career & including at least a coupla dozen sportsmen, i have a pretty good idea

                    In the past, having his optimal starts through the rounds has not helped him produce better and better starts later on.
                    rounds are meant to give you the opportunity to sharpen up aspects of your race

                    unless you have split data showing his 20m, 40m & 60m splits in prelims & the final are the same or faster in the prelims, your argument is baseless

                    Ex. is Powell who had a couple incredible starts/drive phase in the rounds, and always has in the rounds.

                    You think Tyson would be x.xx faster without the injury, then Bolt would have been 0.10 or so faster in the 200 had he not have started his GPP later than expected because he showed more fatigue than in beijing through the rounds
                    no disagreement

                    he had nothing left in the relay with the trinidadian almost matching him

                    On top of that, regardless of fitness, if he peaks for a single one off 200, he can run sub 19 because there is no fatigue/accumulative fatigue present.
                    logically sounds correct, but we have anomalous data from the greats :

                    mj 19.32
                    ff 19.68
                    deloach 19,75
                    King 19.75

                    all set in finals of championships but not bettered in 1-off races

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                    • #40
                      Deliver your proof and stop wasting people's time with your speculations. You have revealed that you are a man who doesn't work with facts. I have seen your shoddy baseless math equations posted also over the place and there is a certain reason I call you out on this. Speak up and stop dodging!

                      :roll:

                      What was wrong with Tyson Gays race?! Answer.

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                      • #41
                        you clearly have a comprehension deficit :

                        http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/discus ... 700#585700

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                        • #42
                          Ahhh bwoy... you are a doo doo head.. :?

                          these are from your quote:

                          "Here is what I'm suggesting"

                          "And thats exactly what I think he did"

                          "I believe that"

                          "I'm assuming"

                          "I have no real evidence for any of this, this is just what I think I'm seeing."

                          "Starters don't really ever pass finishers. "

                          (this is so dumb)

                          :roll:

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                          • #43
                            now try again without the uncertainty phraseology he obviously included to satiate the enfeebled of cephalus...

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                            • #44
                              LOL

                              Of course I read it in detail. I can make assumptions like that too, but that is the thing..It is just that the video didn't back up those assumptions.

                              Ok, this is going nowhere. Lets move on, Forget about Rome. Do you think Tsyon Gay can fulfill your prediction?

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                              • #45
                                cephalus is never going to find unfeeble...

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