¶'09 WC w4x1: Jamaica 42.06

[midnightsun]

cool, nice link Frans!

[Alexm]

Looking at the analysis above, you can see how Gladisch-Moller's fantastic first leg sett he GDR up. Their baton changing was also great, they pushed the exchanges to the max (Aueswald to Gohr right on the edge of the zone..) but their experience through practice meant they could exchange at full throttle. To think that Sabine Gunther ran a faster 100m split than Fraser, Felix & Stewart! Aueswald was also a great bend runner, if you look at the Seoul splits Flo Jo wasn't much faster than her.

[Frans Rutten]

now that 12.00 can't be right. Ok she starts from the blocks and runs a curve, but still!
Exactly how did you extrapolate that figure?

It's not mine. It's from the Biomechanical Research Team. File is on their website www.fgs.uni-halle.de.

[Frans Rutten]

GDR Canberra 1985 (TV-Analysis) vs. JAMAICA Berlin 2009 SF/FIN

11.13-11.58-12.00
10.14-10.26-10.34
10.40-10.52-10.42
10.02-9.94-9.83
Change Effectivity 0.32-0.42-0.53
Relay Time 41.37-41.88-42.06

Obvious conclusion: it takes four to get the baton round to paraphrase MJ.

wow the start wasnt soo good.. kerron was impresive 9.83.. do we have any comparisons that can be made eg jeter or vcb ?

Not of Jeter.

Osaka 2007 TV-Analyse by www.fgs.uni-halle.de

USA (L. Williams, Felix, Barber and Edwards) 41,98
11.50-10.15-10.49-10.15 change effectivity 0.31

JAMAICA (Brooks, Stewart, Facey and VCB) 42,01
11.62-10.21-10.78-10.04 change effectivity 0.64

Anchor runs Stuttgart 1993: Privalova 9.89, Devers 9.86

[midnightsun]

now that 12.00 can't be right. Ok she starts from the blocks and runs a curve, but still!
Exactly how did you extrapolate that figure?

[trackfan22]

GDR Canberra 1985 (TV-Analysis) vs. JAMAICA Berlin 2009 SF/FIN

11.13-11.58-12.00
10.14-10.26-10.34
10.40-10.52-10.42
10.02-9.94-9.83
Change Effectivity 0.32-0.42-0.53
Relay Time 41.37-41.88-42.06

Obvious conclusion: it takes four to get the baton round to paraphrase MJ.

wow the start wasnt soo good.. kerron was impresive 9.83.. do we have any comparisons that can be made eg jeter or vcb ?

[Frans Rutten]

GDR Canberra 1985 (TV-Analysis) vs. JAMAICA Berlin 2009 SF/FIN

11.13-11.58-12.00
10.14-10.26-10.34
10.40-10.52-10.42
10.02-9.94-9.83
Change Effectivity 0.32-0.42-0.53
Relay Time 41.37-41.88-42.06

Obvious conclusion: it takes four to get the baton round to paraphrase MJ.

[t_monk]

[quote=guruof track]

I don't think it was catering to her ESPECIALLY when all you had her practice was the anchor leg. Telling her in the 11th hour that she is going trun a leg she hasnt ran since 2000, is unreasonable, don't you think. Considering she DID follow the rules.

I get that Guru and I agree but this year she is no longer the fastest straight runner. And I don't mean just catering to her since the JAM pre-Berlin camp appeared to be a huge clash of egos that could have been uglier than it was.

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She wasn't the fastest straight runner last year either. In fact they had THREE girls faster than her last year.

But point well taken.[/quote:23tzgfyn]

I didn't agree with last year line up either... We all saw what happened on 2nd to 3rd there.

And last year there could be a viable argument of putting her on anchor:
1) she had that amazing top end that she seems lacking this year
2) the only person who could be placed on anchor instead of her had doubled and she didn't so she was clearly fresher and therefore would probably be faster.
3) Her season best was 10.87 and the SB of the persons that beat her were 10.87, 10.85 and 10.80 (at the time they had been practicing relays) not that large a margin (especially after number 2).
4) She was in the best shape of her life as could be vindicated by her 21.74 PB in the 200 and her teetering ever so closely to her 100m PB.

This year (due to injuries of course) her SB is 10.94 and 22.29. KS is almost a whole 0.20 seconds faster than her and this is due MAINLY to superior top end. VCB didn't have that top end overdrive that she seemed to possess before. Kerron was not doubling and she was.

[Daisy]

Would you like to apply? :lol:

Sure, I don't think I could do too badly, it's not like they are allowed to make any decisions :twisted:

[lexvid]

I guess I'm to simplistic in my thinking but don't you put the fastest person as your anchor on the relay team?

I have always thought the second leg is the best for your fastest, unless they are crap at passing the baton.

Thanks Daisy and that maybe ideal but how many recent winning Championship Relay Teams operated this way?

Almost none? I've wondered about that, and I have always assumed that the ego of the star sprinter precludes such a move.

Agreed. I here there may be an opening for Head Relay Coach for JAM or USA Teams. Would you like to apply? :lol:

[Daisy]

I guess I'm to simplistic in my thinking but don't you put the fastest person as your anchor on the relay team?

I have always thought the second leg is the best for your fastest, unless they are crap at passing the baton.

Thanks Daisy and that maybe ideal but how many recent winning Championship Relay Teams operated this way?

Almost none? I've wondered about that, and I have always assumed that the ego of the star sprinter precludes such a move.

[guruof track]

I don't think it was catering to her ESPECIALLY when all you had her practice was the anchor leg. Telling her in the 11th hour that she is going trun a leg she hasnt ran since 2000, is unreasonable, don't you think. Considering she DID follow the rules.

I get that Guru and I agree but this year she is no longer the fastest straight runner. And I don't mean just catering to her since the JAM pre-Berlin camp appeared to be a huge clash of egos that could have been uglier than it was.

...

She wasn't the fastest straight runner last year either. In fact they had THREE girls faster than her last year.

But point well taken.

[lexvid]

I guess I'm to simplistic in my thinking but don't you put the fastest person as your anchor on the relay team?

I have always thought the second leg is the best for your fastest, unless they are crap at passing the baton.

Thanks Daisy and that maybe ideal but how many recent winning Championship Relay Teams operated this way?

I recall the likes of Carl lewis, Bailey, and others anchoring (the glory position). And Bolt runs the curve not the 2. Course he can run anywhere he chooses such is his dominance right now.

[t_monk]

I don't think it was catering to her ESPECIALLY when all you had her practice was the anchor leg. Telling her in the 11th hour that she is going trun a leg she hasnt ran since 2000, is unreasonable, don't you think. Considering she DID follow the rules.

I get that Guru and I agree but this year she is no longer the fastest straight runner. And I don't mean just catering to her since the JAM pre-Berlin camp appeared to be a huge clash of egos that could have been uglier than it was.

I would be mad to if I was VCB, but she is the best curve runner on the team (yes her toe was hurting but it would still hurt running period). I may have even pulled out too if I was upset enough too since she followed all the rules. There is plenty of blame to go around since nobody seemed to be thinking about what's best for the relay Team.

I think JAM was lucky this didn't cost them the gold because they have an embarrasement of riches right now.

This should have been settled right after the JAM championships...

I concur

[lexvid]

I don't think it was catering to her ESPECIALLY when all you had her practice was the anchor leg. Telling her in the 11th hour that she is going trun a leg she hasnt ran since 2000, is unreasonable, don't you think. Considering she DID follow the rules.

I get that Guru and I agree but this year she is no longer the fastest straight runner. And I don't mean just catering to her since the JAM pre-Berlin camp appeared to be a huge clash of egos that could have been uglier than it was.

I would be mad to if I was VCB, but she is the best curve runner on the team (yes her toe was hurting but it would still hurt running period). I may have even pulled out too if I was upset enough too since she followed all the rules. There is plenty of blame to go around since nobody seemed to be thinking about what's best for the relay Team.

I think JAM was lucky this didn't cost them the gold because they have an embarrasement of riches right now.

This should have been settled right after the JAM championships...