¶'09 WC m4x1: Jamaica 37.31 WCR

[guruof track]

I said what I wanted to say, you read it the way you wanted to read it. I have no idea if he is clean or dirty.........nor do I really care. As far as I know he has passed all his test.

Whatever

pull ur skirt up. :roll:

[rudawal]

Except I still say the USA had their hands full with Trinidad. There's nothing hypothetical about that 37.62 and it's a fast time - faster than the Canadians ran in Atlanta, remember that? I say the USA take bronze.

Stephen Francis said in an interview on TVJ that he would not have allowed Asafa to run in the final if the Americans had made it through. The thinking was that an injured Asafa would quite likely have had to work too hard and might have aggravated his injury. With only the Trinis to worry about Franno thought Asafa would be working at 80% or thereabouts. As it turned out, Bolt was less than his best and the Trinis were closer than expected, so Asafa had to run flat. Luckily, he survived and ther were ill effects. But you have to wonder, what if the US had qualified? Without Asafa, you could be looking at 37.60 or slower.

[jazzcyclist]

FYI, here is a list of times for the first four teams in the men's 4x100 final. The times given are the difference between the sum of the four runners' season best for the 100 and their actual time in the final.

• Jamaica - 2.13s
  Trinidad - 2.44s
  U.K. - 2.38s
  Japan - 2.34s

As you can see, Trinidad had the best exchanges by running 2.44 seconds faster than the sum of their season bests. If the U.S. could have had a 2.44 time differential in the last two Olympics, they would have run 37.15 in 2004 and 37.02 in 2008. Based on years of observation, I can say that the best colleges typically have a time differential approaching three seconds when they get it right. The French of the early 1990's exceded three seconds.

Note: For one of the Japanese runners, I took half of his 200 season best since he had no 100 time on the IAAF's performance list.

[guruof track]

Except I still say the USA had their hands full with Trinidad. There's nothing hypothetical about that 37.62 and it's a fast time - faster than the Canadians ran in Atlanta, remember that? I say the USA take bronze.

Stephen Francis said in an interview on TVJ that he would not have allowed Asafa to run in the final if the Americans had made it through. The thinking was that an injured Asafa would quite likely have had to work too hard and might have aggravated his injury. With only the Trinis to worry about Franno thought Asafa would be working at 80% or thereabouts. As it turned out, Bolt was less than his best and the Trinis were closer than expected, so Asafa had to run flat. Luckily, he survived and ther were ill effects. But you have to wonder, what if the US had qualified? Without Asafa, you could be looking at 37.60 or slower.

Mi tink Steve Francis runs tings in Jamaica.

[cacique]

FYI, here is a list of times for the first four teams in the men's 4x100 final. The times given are the difference between the sum of the four runners' season best for the 100 and their actual time in the final.
[... The French of the early 1990's exceded three seconds.

very interesting. however, don't some runners often run much faster in the relay than in the individual races, specially the anchor?

don't know if this was discussed earlier, but what happened to the french? with 3 guys in the quarters, you'd think they'd not finish last...

[bman]

don't know if this was discussed earlier, but what happened to the french? with 3 guys in the quarters, you'd think they'd not finish last...

Yea, and they looked good in the heats, Lemaitre ran a sweet leg against Richard Thompson.

[Powell]

Yea, and they looked good in the heats, Lemaitre ran a sweet leg against Richard Thompson.

True. It made me feel even more sorry about his DQ in the individual 100. He might have challenged for a place in the final. Possibly even go sub-10?

[Frans Rutten]

Berlin vs. Beijing (TV-Analysis www.fgs.uni-halle.de)

Mullings 10.57 vs. Carter 10.47
Frater 9.20 vs. Frater 9.16
Bolt 9.12 vs. Bolt 9,06
Powell 8.73 vs. Powell 8.68
Change Effectivity 0.31 vs. 0.27
Relay Time 37.31 vs. 37.10

Osaka (TV-Analysis www.fgs.uni-halle.de)

USA: 10.43-9.29-9.13 Gay-9.21: change effectivity 0.28: 37.78
JAM: 10.66-.9.16 Bolt-9.44-8,84: change effectivity 0.21:37.89

Stuttgart 1993 (www.fgs.uni-halle.de)

USA: 10.44-8.96 Cason-9.43-8.92: change ffectivity 0.35: 37.40

[jazzcyclist]

Shame on you Trinidad.

While we believe that our athletes have done their part in promoting and advertising our nation on the world stage, we cannot say the same for those vested with the authority for the governance of our nation's sport. We say this against the background of the revelation that it was our 1976 Olympic gold medalist Hasely Crawford who had to take a bank loan to partly finance our track team to the world games. What utter madness! There can be no excuse for such an occurrence by those in authority in sports in this country. Yet when our athletes return government will attempt to make political capital over their achievements.

http://www.thetobagonews.com/index.pl/a ... d=24238422

[Hano]

Berlin vs. Beijing (TV-Analysis www.fgs.uni-halle.de)

Mullings 10.57 vs. Carter 10.47
Frater 9.20 vs. Frater 9.16
Bolt 9.12 vs. Bolt 9,06
Powell 8.73 vs. Powell 8.68
Change Effectivity 0.31 vs. 0.27
Relay Time 37.31 vs. 37.10

Osaka (TV-Analysis www.fgs.uni-halle.de)

USA: 10.43-9.29-9.13 Gay-9.21: change effectivity 0.28: 37.78
JAM: 10.66-.9.16 Bolt-9.44-8,84: change effectivity 0.21:37.89

Stuttgart 1993 (www.fgs.uni-halle.de)

USA: 10.44-8.96 Cason-9.43-8.92: change ffectivity 0.35: 37.40

How do these numbers compare with:
Nesta Carter (10.41) Michael Frater (9.01)
Usain Bolt (8.98) Asafa Powell (8.70)

Or: what is change effectivity?

[Frans Rutten]

Berlin vs. Beijing (TV-Analysis www.fgs.uni-halle.de)

Mullings 10.57 vs. Carter 10.47
Frater 9.20 vs. Frater 9.16
Bolt 9.12 vs. Bolt 9,06
Powell 8.73 vs. Powell 8.68
Change Effectivity 0.31 vs. 0.27
Relay Time 37.31 vs. 37.10

Osaka (TV-Analysis www.fgs.uni-halle.de)

USA: 10.43-9.29-9.13 Gay-9.21: change effectivity 0.28: 37.78
JAM: 10.66-.9.16 Bolt-9.44-8,84: change effectivity 0.21:37.89

Stuttgart 1993 (www.fgs.uni-halle.de)

USA: 10.44-8.96 Cason-9.43-8.92: change ffectivity 0.35: 37.40

How do these numbers compare with:
Nesta Carter (10.41) Michael Frater (9.01)
Usain Bolt (8.98) Asafa Powell (8.70)

Or: what is change effectivity?

I would suggest change effectivity is the distance that's won converted in time by passing the baton from one athlete to an other athlete.

Sum individual times minus change effectivity = real relay time.
The numbers you gave are apparantly "net" times.