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  • #31
    Re: baton passing 101

    Originally posted by jazzcyclist
    Originally posted by lonewolf
    What makes me cringe is right to left, or vice versa, from wrong side of lane with outgoing running looking back with body contorted doing the windshield wiper.
    I'm in 100% agreement with Rusty, but I still don't know what you mean when you say right to left and left to right makes you cringe? .
    I thought I said somewhere in there the problem is when they are on the wrong side of the lane passing across two bodies, easily prevented if both runners are on the same page. I should have said from far hand to far hand instead of right to left or vice versa. I have no argument with your system. As I said, I would tailor exchanges to the preferred receiving/carrying hand of each leg, so far as possible and practical.
    I think the most important thing is to use the upsweep pass which, IMO, is the superior delivery and gets outgoing off and running in the right direction quicker.

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    • #32
      Re: baton passing 101

      Originally posted by Rustyjaguar
      Some good points. however, you want your leadoff to run to the inside of the lane with the baton in their right hand. The 2nd leg runner will run to the outside of their lane a little to receive the baton in the left hand. Do not switch hands ever. Too much risks. The reason the 2nd and anchor legs run to the outside alittle gives the leadoff and 3rd legs a little room in case the first pass is missed and they won't trip over each other aka Anderson and Muna. Leadoff right hand /inside lane . 2nd left hand / outer part of lane. 3rd right hand / inside of lane. Anchor left hand/ outer part of lane. Never teach switching baton. Too many risks.
      There is also a risk involved in NOT switching hands. After the first exchange there will often be a shorter and shorter piece of the baton to grab onto for the outgoing runner.

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      • #33
        Relayings a bitch, ain't it.

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        • #34
          Re: baton passing 101

          Originally posted by lonewolf
          Originally posted by jazzcyclist
          Originally posted by lonewolf
          What makes me cringe is right to left, or vice versa, from wrong side of lane with outgoing running looking back with body contorted doing the windshield wiper.
          I'm in 100% agreement with Rusty, but I still don't know what you mean when you say right to left and left to right makes you cringe? .
          I thought I said somewhere in there the problem is when they are on the wrong side of the lane passing across two bodies, easily prevented if both runners are on the same page. I should have said from far hand to far hand instead of right to left or vice versa. I have no argument with your system. As I said, I would tailor exchanges to the preferred receiving/carrying hand of each leg, so far as possible and practical.
          I think the most important thing is to use the upsweep pass which, IMO, is the superior delivery and gets outgoing off and running in the right direction quicker.
          Now I understand. But I must point out that whenever the baton has to be passed across the lane as you've describe, then either one or both of the runners are out of place. This happened in 2004 in Athens when Coby Miller ran the second leg on the inside of lane instead of the outsside of the lane, and consequently, the U.S. lost a lot of ground to the other teams when he made the exchange to Justion Gatlin.

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          • #35
            Re: baton passing 101

            Originally posted by jazzcyclist
            Originally posted by lonewolf
            Originally posted by jazzcyclist
            Originally posted by lonewolf
            What makes me cringe is right to left, or vice versa, from wrong side of lane with outgoing running looking back with body contorted doing the windshield wiper.
            I'm in 100% agreement with Rusty, but I still don't know what you mean when you say right to left and left to right makes you cringe? .
            I thought I said somewhere in there the problem is when they are on the wrong side of the lane passing across two bodies, easily prevented if both runners are on the same page. I should have said from far hand to far hand instead of right to left or vice versa. I have no argument with your system. As I said, I would tailor exchanges to the preferred receiving/carrying hand of each leg, so far as possible and practical.
            I think the most important thing is to use the upsweep pass which, IMO, is the superior delivery and gets outgoing off and running in the right direction quicker.
            Now I understand. But I must point out that whenever the baton has to be passed across the lane as you've describe, then either one or both of the runners are out of place. This happened in 2004 in Athens when Coby Miller ran the second leg on the inside of lane instead of the outsside of the lane, and consequently, the U.S. lost a lot of ground to the other teams when he made the exchange to Justion Gatlin.
            You mean Gatlin on second. Miller was third leg.

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            • #36
              Re: baton passing 101

              Originally posted by scratchman
              Originally posted by jazzcyclist
              Originally posted by lonewolf
              Originally posted by jazzcyclist
              Originally posted by lonewolf
              What makes me cringe is right to left, or vice versa, from wrong side of lane with outgoing running looking back with body contorted doing the windshield wiper.
              I'm in 100% agreement with Rusty, but I still don't know what you mean when you say right to left and left to right makes you cringe? .
              I thought I said somewhere in there the problem is when they are on the wrong side of the lane passing across two bodies, easily prevented if both runners are on the same page. I should have said from far hand to far hand instead of right to left or vice versa. I have no argument with your system. As I said, I would tailor exchanges to the preferred receiving/carrying hand of each leg, so far as possible and practical.
              I think the most important thing is to use the upsweep pass which, IMO, is the superior delivery and gets outgoing off and running in the right direction quicker.
              Now I understand. But I must point out that whenever the baton has to be passed across the lane as you've describe, then either one or both of the runners are out of place. This happened in 2004 in Athens when Coby Miller ran the second leg on the inside of lane instead of the outsside of the lane, and consequently, the U.S. lost a lot of ground to the other teams when he made the exchange to Justion Gatlin.
              You mean Gatlin on second. Miller was third leg.
              You're right, I had it switched around. Miller ran on the outside of the lane when he should have been on the inside of the lane. This made it very difficult for Gatlin to get the stick to him across his body.

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              • #37
                When was the flyzone first used in the 4x100m(4x110y)?
                Tom Hyland:
                "squack and wineturtle get it"

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                • #38
                  I truly don't believe it's about the type of exchange the U.S. uses that has been their issue. If you don't practice enough with those individuals who actually are gonna run the relay (round & finals), doesn't matter what type of exchange you have, you're probably gonna get the same results.

                  The definition of insanity is expecting different results, yet doing things the same.
                  on the road

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                  • #39
                    Re: baton passing 101

                    Originally posted by jazzcyclist
                    [Now I understand. But I must point out that whenever the baton has to be passed across the lane as you've describe, then either one or both of the runners are out of place. .
                    Nope, I'm saying something wrong. That is my point. If runners are on the correct side of the lane and the pass is always from near (inside) hand to near hand), left to right or right to left, it will never be passed across the lane or across a body.

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                    • #40
                      Re: baton passing 101

                      Originally posted by lonewolf
                      Originally posted by jazzcyclist
                      [Now I understand. But I must point out that whenever the baton has to be passed across the lane as you've describe, then either one or both of the runners are out of place. .
                      Nope, I'm saying something wrong. That is my point. If runners are on the correct side of the lane and the pass is always from near (inside) hand to near hand), left to right or right to left, it will never be passed across the lane or across a body.
                      Exactly! I think Alexandria Anderson may have started to drift to the inside of the lane as she approached Muna Lee and that caused Lee to have to contort her body the way she did.

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                      • #41
                        The French never actully slowed down. In a national publication they revealed their" secret" which was timing a rolling start with the incoming runner. Our problem is we get a new national coach every season whereas the other countries have a desigated national coach (French, USSR, Cuba, Japan) I can't say the same for T & T but look how well they progressed in the last three seasons.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by tracknut
                          The French never actully slowed down. In a national publication they revealed their" secret" which was timing a rolling start with the incoming runner. Our problem is we get a new national coach every season whereas the other countries have a desigated national coach (French, USSR, Cuba, Japan) I can't say the same for T & T but look how well they progressed in the last three seasons.
                          The ideal situation is the Trinidad men and Bahamian women, when you have exactly four or five elite sprinters in the whole country. In these situations, there is no politics when it comes to chooing the team, because there is such a huge dropoff when you go to the fifth or sixth sprinter. The Bahamian team that won the gold medal in 2000 was comprised of the only four elite sprinters they had, and they got to run together for several years going all the way back to the 1996 Olympics. Politics only comes into play when you have countries like Jamaica and the U.S. who each have eight to ten elite sprinters to chose from.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by tracknut
                            timing a rolling start with the incoming runner. .
                            Thats the phrase I was looking for..

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