Right now, Merritt owns Wariner mentally.

[jazzcyclist]

In a WC or OG championship, winning is what counts. Ask Sanya how it felt.
Oh, and by the way, any color of medal is something to be proud of in a WC or OG event.

If time is so important in these big meets, what is up with all of the distant events?

I agree with most of what you've said, but the difference between the sprints and the distance and middle distance races is that the sprints are essentially time trials. Sprinters go into the final with the mindset that they're going to give a 100% effort. For events longer than 400 meters, you're reacting to what you're competitors are doing, irregardless of time. That's why it's so much more common to see records broken in the sprints than in distance and middle distance races at championship meets.

[jpaule]

In a WC or OG championship, winning is what counts. Ask Sanya how it felt.
Oh, and by the way, any color of medal is something to be proud of in a WC or OG event.

If time is so important in these big meets, what is up with all of the distant events?

[Marlow]

I think 44.0 on a wet track after a rain delay counts for something. :roll:

In another thread it was pointed out that the wetness is not a factor and then some really fast (mid-43) 400s have been run in cool weather. A pro handles the delays. I think that was about as fast as he was going to run that day. Had JW come up alongside him 60m out, LM MIGHT have gone a little faster, or just as likely, tensed up and run slower.

[Taliban]

Mr. Merritt is simply running to win. He has trained to run a 43"5 this season, and would have layed it down when necessary. Perhaps he would have come up short, but that's the benchmark he was training for, despite not training to run any certain time this season.

Bullshit! Merritt didn't have a 43.5 in him on the day of the World Championship final. If he had, he would have run much easier than he did. I don't doubt that his goal was a 43.5 fitness level by the time he got to Berlin, but if that had been required to run 43.5 in Berlin in order to win gold, he would have gotten silver.

I think 44.0 on a wet track after a rain delay counts for something. :roll:

[jhc68]

Owning mentally sounds too much like trash talk to me. Merritt is just better right now. He runs faster. Why ascribe JW's losses to some mental/emotional reason? If wanting to run fast worked then I'd be pretty damn quick.

[Blimpie]

Sometimes we have tp pick sense out of nonsense. I was quite aware that JW was not going to finish close to Merritt at the WC. He was lucky to have medal. I hope things will work out well for him in the future.

[Marlow]

It has always confused me a bit how people want a former World and Olympic Champion to change events just because ONE person on EARTH pops up and manages to beat them. :?
That it comes up on occasion I can almost accept (grudgingly).
But that it continues to come up saddens me as I feel the world may not be in capable hands.

The argument came up LONG before JW lost. Some us just want to see what would happen if he took the 800 seriously for year. It ain't gonna happen, so it's a fantasy. People fantasize a lot!

[TrackDaddy]

It has always confused me a bit how people want a former World and Olympic Champion to change events just because ONE person on EARTH pops up and manages to beat them. :?

That it comes up on occasion I can almost accept (grudgingly).

But that it continues to come up saddens me as I feel the world may not be in capable hands.

[steve]

I dunno, has JW ever competitively run the 800 ? Or is there even any time recorded for him for that event ?

:lol:

I see you only have 5 posts on this forum, so you have no idea how funny you post is...

In time...

Somehow I don't think you were complimenting me - you know like I'm so clever I could have a career as a stand-up-comic if I so chose ?
So either you think I'm an idiot or there's an inside joke here I'm unaware of ?
To my knowledge JW has been almost exclusively a 400 sprinter with an
occasional 220 sprinkled in now and then, probably for speed-training more than anything. But my question about him running the 800 was totally innocent/sincere, because he definitely looks more like a half-miler than a quarter-miler to me.

I don't think BCBaroo intended to be offensive. Your post was funny because there was a period of time after 2004 when there was a long running argument with many posts, and in many different topics, as to whether or not Wariner should move up to the 800.

Wariner has said no way to the 800 in the past and has never run one.

[Marlow]

I will also take exception to the thread title. It's 100% physical on JW's part. He would if could, but he can't, so he didn't, but he will when he can. :twisted:

The sad part for me is that JW has not pressed LM, so we have NO idea what LM is capable of. One thing is for sure, the 2004-2007 JW is superior in all respects to the LM of 2008-2009 by all objective criteria. Which is NOT to say 2009 LM could not beat the JW of then; we just don't know until such time as LM HAS to run consistently in the 43s to win.

I'm keeping an open mind about the whole thing, which I believe is the only logical thing to do!

[nunusguy]

I dunno, has JW ever competitively run the 800 ? Or is there even any time recorded for him for that event ?

:lol:

I see you only have 5 posts on this forum, so you have no idea how funny you post is...

In time...

Somehow I don't think you were complimenting me - you know like I'm so clever I could have a career as a stand-up-comic if I so chose ?
So either you think I'm an idiot or there's an inside joke here I'm unaware of ?
To my knowledge JW has been almost exclusively a 400 sprinter with an
occasional 220 sprinkled in now and then, probably for speed-training more than anything. But my question about him running the 800 was totally innocent/sincere, because he definitely looks more like a half-miler than a quarter-miler to me.

[jazzcyclist]

Wariner is a right idiot leaving Hart. He's still got plenty of titles and he's still relatively young. 2010 hopefully get back to 43.5 and then 2011 will be a great year for 400m's i can feel it. I feel a 3rd or 4th person will come in the mix, hopefully x-man and another.

Can you imagine the possibilities, if in addition to JW returning to his 2007 form, X-man would return to his 2006 form? That's the kind firepower it's going to take to break the world record.

[BCBaroo]

I dunno, has JW ever competitively run the 800 ? Or is there even any time recorded for him for that event ?

:lol:

I see you only have 5 posts on this forum, so you have no idea how funny you post is...

In time...

[Mikewats]

Wariner is a right idiot leaving Hart. He's still got plenty of titles and he's still relatively young. 2010 hopefully get back to 43.5 and then 2011 will be a great year for 400m's i can feel it. I feel a 3rd or 4th person will come in the mix, hopefully x-man and another.

[guruof track]

Mr. Merritt is simply running to win. He has trained to run a 43"5 this season, and would have layed it down when necessary. Perhaps he would have come up short, but that's the benchmark he was training for, despite not training to run any certain time this season.

Bullshit! Merritt didn't have a 43.5 in him on the day of the World Championship final. If he had, he would have run much easier than he did. I don't doubt that his goal was a 43.5 fitness level by the time he got to Berlin, but if that had been required to run 43.5 in Berlin in order to win gold, he would have gotten silver.

He didn't have a 43.5 in the condtions he ran in bt Merritt in ideal condtions runs near PR in that race all thins considered.