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  • #16
    Re: Any Women On This Board?

    * Rather than watching 5
    >mins. of a touchy-feely profile about an athlete
    >whose story I, as a track fan, am already
    >familiar with, I'd rather see 5 more mins. of
    >actual competition. Maybe then there would be
    >time to show at least parts of a 10K final (or --
    >gasp! -- parts of both the men's and women's 10K
    >finals).
    * In a nutshell: less b.s.,
    >more competition!

    I'm so happy to hear a woman say this. NBC keeps justifying the "soft and fuzzy" stuff by saying they are "reaching out to the female audience." And I asked my wife (not a track fan) if she likes that crap, and she said yes (that sound you hear is me ripping my hair out). Maybe I'm wrong, but I think it's insulting to assume women don't want to see competition.

    To my grave, I will hate NBC for what they did to the women's 10K in Athens. I stayed up to watch it at its scheduled time, and it wasn't on. So I stayed up later, hoping to catch a tape delay. About two or three hours later, they did a "soft & fuzzy" on one of the contenders, a Kenyan woman, I think Tegla Loroupe. I assumed this was the lead-in to the race coverage. But then, nope, they showed a little bit of the slo-mo from the race, mentioned that Loroupe came in SIXTH, briefly mentioned who won (it looked like an exciting sprint finish) and then moved on to something else WITHOUT ACTUALLY SHOWING THE RACE. AAAAUUUGGGHHH!!! (More hair ripping out)
    "Run fast and keep turning left."

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    • #17
      Re: Any Women On This Board?

      Counting this thread I note that five the ten most recent threads are about women.

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      • #18
        Re: Any Women On This Board?

        we can only hope the days of the triplecast from barcelona will emerge in the future, where a viewer will have a selection of thousands of hand-tooled options...

        that's the direction, eventually, where the viewer, for a fee, selects what to watch....

        can be pricey, but eventually it'll be there...

        otherwise, the results of nbc's focus groups will continue to drive the style of their programming

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        • #19
          Re: Any Women On This Board?

          >However, some wishes:

          * Rather than watching 5
          >mins. of a touchy-feely profile about an athlete
          >whose story I, as a track fan, am already
          >familiar with, I'd rather see 5 more mins. of
          >actual competition. Maybe then there would be
          >time to show at least parts of a 10K final (or --
          >gasp! -- parts of both the men's and women's 10K
          >finals).

          * I'd like to see meets in real time
          >when time-zone issues don't make the concept
          >ridiculous, rather than seeing a time-delayed,
          >neatly-packaged, sprint-intensive
          >empty-air-filler two days after the meet. I
          >already know the results, so what fun is
          >that?

          * I'd like to see more distance events
          >(yes, even if there are no Americans in the
          >final). I realize that for the majority of
          >viewers, watching an entire 10K is similar to
          >watching grass grow, but at least show me the
          >last few laps!

          * In a nutshell: less b.s.,
          >more competition!

          I've always been fortunate enough to live in reception range of the Canadian border. While CBC's announcers might actually be worse than the usual ESPN/ABC/NBC suspects, the amount of coverage they give for a Worlds or Olympics is stunning.

          In 1988, I taped their late-night coverage and then watched it after practice the next day with a teammate. For the 10 000m, we waited and waited for them to cut away or to commercial . . . but they showed all 25 laps live. In 2000, I got up daily at 3 am to watch live coverage from Sydney; I kept the chart on the men's HJ because they showed every single jump in the competition.

          Their Golden League coverage is 90 minutes instead of our 60 (although it's shown a week later). They cover the World Cross Country championships. They use the "host feed" which gives you instantaneous field event standings. (Apparently US networks don't like it because they think Americans can't figure out that 8.65 meters is longer than 8.60 meters.)

          Besides that they're in no hurry to get the GL meets on TV, CBC's only drawbacks are their announcers. I can only assume that Don Wittman intentionally tries to mispronounce every single name he sees, while Geoff Gowan is as grating as the get.

          Of course, I've never seen track on European TV, so CBC might be the best of a bad bunch. But it's a lot better than what we get in the USA.

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          • #20
            Re: Any Women On This Board?

            eurosport does a fantastic job, particularly when compared with the state of nbc...

            I saw some of the canadian stuff from edmonton, but still eurosport is more palletable..

            of course, the british keen sense of humor might need some acclimation...

            but they show the events, discuss tactics, know who's in form, and are always willing to speculate..

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            • #21
              Re: Any Women On This Board?

              >eurosport does a fantastic job, particularly when
              >compared with the state of nbc...

              I saw some
              >of the canadian stuff from edmonton, but still
              >eurosport is more palletable..

              of course, the
              >british keen sense of humor might need some
              >acclimation...

              but they show the events,
              >discuss tactics, know who's in form, and are
              >always willing to speculate..

              I agree -- CBC isn't good, they just show (a lot ) more. For any track I see on TV, I tape it and watch with a heavy hand on the fast forward. It's amazing how you can watch a 1-hour meet in 20 minutes!

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              • #22
                Re: Any Women On This Board?

                Hey! Who hijacked our thread? What the #@%$#@$% does Eurosport vs. nbc vs. cbs have to do with the lack of women's topics?!!!!!

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                • #23
                  Re: Any Women On This Board?

                  >Hey! Who hijacked our thread? What the #@%$#@$%
                  >does Eurosport vs. nbc vs. cbs have to do with
                  >the lack of women's topics?!!!!!

                  OK, here's a women's topic that T&FN hasn't covered.

                  Does cutting men's programs because of Title IX reduce opportunity for women? In many cases it reduces half of a university's women's coaches, which certainly does affect opportunity for women. Is this something that can be argued in court?

                  In no way do I actually oppose Title IX. In most cases it's a convenient excuse for cutting men's track programs that has no real basis in fact. At Bowling Green, the university was found by the DOE to be in compliance with Title IX, yet the AD cut men's track and blamed Title IX anyway. (Everyone assumed he was telling the truth until I found the DOE report in the Chronicle of Higher Education three months later.)

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