Progression Question

[chriswitt]

To all the "how he or she Jamaican move from x to y"person questioning bolt ,fraser powell progression just look at Jeter

from 11.56 in 04 to 10.67 at the age of 30
and tyson gay 10.28 to 9.71

is bigger than bolt 10.03 t0 9.58
and fraser from 11.57 to 10.73

looking at jeter progression only flojo campare(my research not down yet)
and americans do it at older age campared to Jamaica
Questionable? track daddy , guru

[bhall]

Talk about progressions all you want. As soon as you say "Questionable" you're venturing into territory that is going to get you a swift kick out of here. Read the guidelines and abide by them.

[chriswitt]

Talk about progressions all you want. As soon as you say "Questionable" you're venturing into territory that is going to get you a swift kick out of here. Read the guidelines and abide by them.

i was asking track daddy , guru and the rest of the "Jamaican Progression Questionable" crew if this count as Questionable Progression. I can find the post on here , even walker progression was questioned (ask how she drop of from WC post pic of her at Taxas etc)And iam just doing some research on progression only problem is the Americans seem to start running in there 20s while i have time for Jamaicans from there teenage usually

[chriswitt]

Talk about progressions all you want. As soon as you say "Questionable" you're venturing into territory that is going to get you a swift kick out of here. Read the guidelines and abide by them.

below are some of guruof track post

Regarding Gay, that is amazing! The man was a 10 flat runner up until 06, when he entered sub 10 territory with his 9.84 and 9.88. Form there he progressed nicely. But 9.71 on a terrible is crazy! Its almost unbelievable. But he was second place to an EVEN more amazing story!


think your right in indicating that the US doesn't have 'yellow yams'.

Can you imagine 3 possible 4 women from one island of less than 2.9 million people running 10.7s ALL in the same year. That would be AMAZING!

I'm super impressed by the progression Jamaica has made in the last 2 years. Its mindboggling.


I sure didn't see it coming. It kind of baffled me. But most of the women in the MVP camp didn't perform as well as they did prior to Berlin either. Then they went to Italy, came to Berlin showed up and showed out.

But going from 52.42 to 55.02 is a HUGE drop, and on top of that she didn't even win the race.

[Jayboi]

Re: Progression Question

you should use 11.72 in 2004 for Fraser to 10.73 now. Her 11.57 has no wind reading...

pretty comparable eh?

[chriswitt]

Re: Progression Question

you should use 11.72 in 2004 for Fraser to 10.73 now. Her 11.57 has no wind reading...

pretty comparable eh?

sticking with what i see 11.57 came before 11.72 so her starting point is 11.57 iam not guessing about wind reading if there is none u want be to asmuse it was illegal wind bull

[Jayboi]

Re: Progression Question

you should use 11.72 in 2004 for Fraser to 10.73 now. Her 11.57 has no wind reading...

pretty comparable eh?

sticking with what i see 11.57 came before 11.72 so her starting point is 11.57 iam not guessing about wind reading if there is none u want be to asmuse it was illegal wind bull

it diminishes the validity of the point.....but continue on....

[Frans Rutten]

Re: Progression Question

To all the "how he or she Jamaican move from x to y"person questioning bolt ,fraser powell progression just look at Jeter

from 11.56 in 04 to 10.67 at the age of 30
and tyson gay 10.28 to 9.71

is bigger than bolt 10.03 t0 9.58
and fraser from 11.57 to 10.73

looking at jeter progression only flojo campare(my research not down yet)
and americans do it at older age campared to Jamaica
Questionable? track daddy , guru

The numbers itself can't tell the whole story.
In the case of Jeter it seems fair to say that she's a typical slowstarter. Both in terms of starting a career as in building her powerful body over the years and in the end of cause to get the transition of power to speed right.

Apparantly 2004 is her first (inter-)national sprintyear, since the IAAF didn't list any performance prior to that year. So then the overall progression from 11.56 to 10.67 is almost identical with the overall progression during her career.

2004: 11.56
2005: ?
2006: 11.48 stagnation / stabilisation
2007: 11.02 a big step forward
2008: 10.97 stabilisation
2009: 10.67

Up to Thessaloniki this year a "modest" progression (she didn't met the huge expectations, not until very recently), but yesterday everything fell in place.

A typical superperformance (took everyone by surprise) only unravelled after it was all done.

[chriswitt]

Re: Progression Question

you should use 11.72 in 2004 for Fraser to 10.73 now. Her 11.57 has no wind reading...

pretty comparable eh?

sticking with what i see 11.57 came before 11.72 so her starting point is 11.57 iam not guessing about wind reading if there is none u want be to asmuse it was illegal wind bull

it diminishes the validity of the point.....but continue on....

TYSON GAY 10.28 had no wind so let add .25 on that 10.28 .U dont like do u . how u get the point

[Frans Rutten]

Re: Progression Question

To all the "how he or she Jamaican move from x to y"person questioning bolt ,fraser powell progression just look at Jeter

from 11.56 in 04 to 10.67 at the age of 30
and tyson gay 10.28 to 9.71

is bigger than bolt 10.03 t0 9.58
and fraser from 11.57 to 10.73

looking at jeter progression only flojo campare(my research not down yet)
and americans do it at older age campared to Jamaica
Questionable? track daddy , guru

Gay's progression from 10.28 to 9.71 spans almost his whole career from an rather early age of 19 up to now 27.

2001: 10.28
2002: 10.27
2003: none
2004: 10.06
2005: 10.08
2006: 09.84
2007: 09.84
2008: 09.77
2009: 09.71

Steady but regular I would say.
Tyson Gay is also like Carmelita Jeter or viceversa if you like very powerful.
It takes a long road to get there.
But of cause as life is uncertain, so is sport.

And of the late Florence Griffith-Joyner.
In fact she only progressed considerably one season or even not that.

[gm]

Jeter ran an 11.69 in 2000, and then windy 11.46 and 11.43 in 02 & 03

[bhall]

Talk about progressions all you want. As soon as you say "Questionable" you're venturing into territory that is going to get you a swift kick out of here. Read the guidelines and abide by them.

I had asked for specific abuses during and after Worlds and you didn't show up then. So don't bitch at me.

My point stands and I'll deal with the quoted material as well.

[optimistic]

I don't think it is a good idea to compare progression from one athlete to the next because so many factors affect an athletes progression that they really are not comparable.

I also think that progression should be looked at year-to-year not over an entire career. So Tyson's year-to-year would be 10.27-10.06-10.08-9.84-9.84-9.77-9.71. I see no problems there.

Things like coaching changes and injuries affect progression that makes comparing them impossible. And injuries affect progression differently b/c of when they occur. Injuries that happen early can be worse b/c they intefer with base training. Think of Sanya and the year she missed so much base training due to Bichets. Jeter also had a sesaon (2008) in which she missed some base training. Also, athletes tend to have good drops in progression when they go from high school to college and then again after 1 or 2 years of running pro.

So the only progressions that seem out of the ordinary are those that do not involve an athlete going pro (concentrating on the sport full-time), changing coaches, or coming off an injury. But even other progressions can be explained because some atheletes just finally decide to take their profession seriously. Think Angelo Taylor. He can bomb one year and blow you out the next.

So I think that everyone feels as though progressions can be explained. Like I understand Gay's and Jeter's because I understand that Gay's coincided with his going pro and Jeter was coming on in 2007, but was injured much of last (early) season. I don't understand Bolt's and Fraser's only because I don't know the athletes. So one reason to come to these boards is to hook up with people who have knowledge in areas that I don't. So someone can intelligently tell me about their progressions instead of bicker about how Gay/Jeter had them too.

[7-sided]

Optimistic, that is the most biased argument that you could have possibly put forward (though you concede that you know Gay and Jeter, but not the Jamaican athletes). Bolt and Fraser's progression has been highlighted so often over the last year that you had to have seen them. They're fine, and no less "out of the ordinary" than Gay or Jeter. You should have stopped when you said that you can't compare progression. Matter of fact, everyone needs to acknowledge that progression can not be compared.

[Jayboi]

Re: Progression Question

you should use 11.72 in 2004 for Fraser to 10.73 now. Her 11.57 has no wind reading...

pretty comparable eh?

sticking with what i see 11.57 came before 11.72 so her starting point is 11.57 iam not guessing about wind reading if there is none u want be to asmuse it was illegal wind bull

it diminishes the validity of the point.....but continue on....

TYSON GAY 10.28 had no wind so let add .25 on that 10.28 .U dont like do u . how u get the point

the next year he ran 10.27 FAT in 2002...to 9.71 in 2009. 7 year span buddy....

FAIL :lol: