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    Argentina has a remarkable sports history, much of it coming in recent years. No need to go into their football accomplishments, which are legendary. In basketball, they have actually won an Olympic gold medal. And they've sent players into the NBA. They are great in volleyball and rugby. They've produced major golf champions. They are great in tennis.

    You would think they could do something noteworthy in track and field. I wonder why they haven't? Has Argentina ever won an Olympic medal in track and field? Do they have hopes for one in the future?

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    http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/discus ... rack+field

    BillVol, you're the best. This has been cascading throughout your mental apparatus for three years, although perhaps below consciousness most of the time.

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    • #3
      Two Olympic gold medalists in the marathon: Juan Carlos Zabala '32 and Delfo Cabrera '48. Also silver medalist TJer Luis Brunetto '24, who had about a 10-year career as a major internationalist.

      Argentina also had a fair number of athletes during WWII who would have been world rankers, including sprinters Adelio Marquez and Gerardo Bonnhof, and hurdler Alberto Triulzi. Back in the '30s they also had a good hammer thrower, Federico Kleger.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by 2 cents
        http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=21080&highlight=argentina+track+fi eld

        BillVol, you're the best. This has been cascading throughout your mental apparatus for three years, although perhaps below consciousness most of the time.
        You have a good memory, 2! I thought I'd revive the topic in light of the new US Open champ from the Pampas!

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        • #5
          1-A lot of people practice sports, but popular sports absorb all the attention. if you're a fast guy, you probably play football. If you got a great vertical jump, probably play basketball, or voleyball. with all this Bolt sucess and popularity, there are some reports about a 14 Y.O football guy who rans 10.8 in 100m. Probably, he will continue playing football instead track.

          2-Running is very popular in the big cities, but only in streets, not in the tartan. top mid-distance and distance runners are burned-out because they need to race every weekend for the money. Results are common , for example...8 races in two months, (six 10k and two half marathon... ) then, times aren't good enough to get a trip for eurocircuit...or at least, for manage a B mark for the WC'S or olympics.

          3-If the T&F is almost 100% amateur, we should have a strong school competition (like US HS and college system)...but nothing of this! Late september I will go to the national varsity champs...believe me, my college 4x100 team is one of the national favourites with high 42 seconds (If we bring Messi, Aguero, Mascherano and even a 50 y.o Maradona, probably they manage 42 low). 8-)
          Most of colleges don't care about sports...

          4-As you said, back in 20's 30's 40's and even 50's... track and field produced many talents like Juan Carlos Zabala, Delfo Cabrera, Reynaldo Gorno, Luis Brunetto, Noemi Simonetto de Portella, Alberto Triulzi, Osvaldo Suarez, Dyrzka, Armando Sensini, Eusebio Guñez, etc... but the Argentine federation not used this sucess, and even more, they put too many rocks in the way. (robbing, cheating, covering PED users etc). Now...the system only produced 3/4/5 quality athletes by decade. In 80's Tito Steiner, 90's Antonio Silio, now nobody (maybe Jenny Dahlgren, a couple of hammer and discus throwers, and young talents like German Chiaraviglio and Braian Toledo)

          Tomorrow i will continue with the facts.Sorry for the english.

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          • #6
            Great stuff, pachip. I don't doubt that Maradona would be good on a relay. Never bet against a champion. Especially that guy. Look forward to more info on Argentinian track and field. Thanks! Your english is better than most of the english-speaking people on here. Thanks also to dj, as always.

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            • #7
              they got a World medal: antonio silio won a silver at the World Half Marathon champs in 92.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by dj
                Two Olympic gold medalists in the marathon: Juan Carlos Zabala '32 and Delfo Cabrera '48. Also silver medalist TJer Luis Brunetto '24, who had about a 10-year career as a major internationalist.

                Argentina also had a fair number of athletes during WWII who would have been world rankers, including sprinters Adelio Marquez and Gerardo Bonnhof, and hurdler Alberto Triulzi. Back in the '30s they also had a good hammer thrower, Federico Kleger.
                So they no longer keep the tradition?

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                • #9
                  National Records

                  http://www.cada-atletismo.org/estadisticas/records1.rtf

                  TOP LISTS


                  http://www.cada-atletismo.org/estadisti ... nk=Records

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by pachip
                    In 80's Tito Steiner, 90's Antonio Silio, now nobody (maybe Jenny Dahlgren, a couple of hammer and discus throwers, and young talents like German Chiaraviglio and Braian Toledo)
                    Don't forget Alejandra Garcia, who was the Pan-Am PV champion in 1999 and was in the top 10 on the world list that year.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by tandfman
                      Originally posted by pachip
                      In 80's Tito Steiner, 90's Antonio Silio, now nobody (maybe Jenny Dahlgren, a couple of hammer and discus throwers, and young talents like German Chiaraviglio and Braian Toledo)
                      Don't forget Alejandra Garcia, who was the Pan-Am PV champion in 1999 and was in the top 10 on the world list that year.
                      Yes...also she made finals in OG Athens 2004!! but that was her prime. (4.43 PB)...pole vault is a new discipline for the womens . In Athens, automatic qualyfing mark was 4.40...15 athletes managed it. Now auto-qualyfing is above 4.50, and you got 11 athletes in 4.65+...Back in 90's, Alejandra was a heptathlete specialist, but when IAAF announced the debut of PV women's competition in OG's (Sidney 2000) She put all her efforts in PV.

                      In the 90's maybe the most "popular" Athlete was sprinter Carlos Gats...10.23 in 100m, 20.37 in 200m....made semifinals in Athens WC's (1997)...a couple of iberoamerican medals and 2nd rounds in OG and WC'S...

                      Another good thrower is Juan Cerra. His 76.42 is AR in Hammer Throw. He qualify for 5 WC'S and 3 OG'S...gold medal in 2003 pan-ams, bronze medal in 1999 and 2007 pan-ams, multiple iberoamerican, south american and national champion...12 seasons above 70 meters, etc.

                      Now, my favourite runner is Javier Carriqueo...1500m and 5000m specialist. He trains in Spain...the best thing about Javier is that he always improve his PB'S or SB'S in big competions. Like pan-ams, Olympic games, important meets like Barcelona, Madrid, Zaragoza, etc.

                      PB'S: 3.38.68 in 1500 (3 seasons under 3.40)
                      13.35 in 5000m
                      7.49.54 in 3000m

                      The best prospect here is Javelin Thrower Braian Toledo. 16 years and 1 week...he won bronze medal in Bressanone WYC'S, silver medal in South American Junior Champs, and gold medal in Junior Pan Ams...his PB with 700g Javelin is 76.70 managed last weekend. (#2 in World Rankings but with 1 year remaning in youth category). 69.84mts with junior javelin...his coach said that next year, Braian could make World Youth Record, and in three years, he will try surpass World Junior Record, property of Andreas Thorkildsen.

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                      • #12
                        There is one main reason haunting ARG's athletic prowess to this day and its not for mention on this board.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Pelpa
                          There is one main reason haunting ARG's athletic prowess to this day and its not for mention on this board.
                          Don't leave me with the doubt :lol:

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Pelpa
                            There is one main reason haunting ARG's athletic prowess to this day and its not for mention on this board.
                            I know what you mean but I don't buy it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bman
                              Originally posted by Pelpa
                              There is one main reason haunting ARG's athletic prowess to this day and its not for mention on this board.
                              I know what you mean but I don't buy it.
                              Could someone elaborate?

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