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  • #31
    injury reports play no part in the Rankings

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    • #32
      Originally posted by gh
      injury reports play no part in the Rankings
      I have no idea what does. However, injuries are certainly pertinent to an athletes ability to compete for a full season.
      Regards,
      toyracer

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      • #33
        May be pertinent, but only in the tough-noogies department if you get one.

        Even if the Rankers could have official daily medical reports on on the thousand-odd athletes who are considered for the Rankings, such reports remain subjective. The minute you feel sympathy for somebody says, "my leg hurts," all objectivity is out the window.

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        • #34
          Agreed. The rankings are always described as not a guess as to who would win some kind of idealized competition, but an ordering of the accomplishments of each athlete over the season as a whole.

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          • #35
            I think both Jeter and SAF deserve number one.
            And I think both Gay and Safa deserved it in 2007.
            If it was my list, I'd share it between them.
            But it's not.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by toyracer
              Overview, 2009 season, Jeter and SAF. 100m races only.

              Carmelita Jeter. Ranked # ?

              Five fastest times.
              10.64 +1.2m/s Shanghai 20/9/2009
              10.67 -0.1m/s Thessaloniki 13/9/2009
              10.78 +3.3m/s Eugene 26/6/2009
              10.83 -0.1m/s Berlin 17/8/2009
              10.83 -0.4 Daegu 25/9/2009

              Wins.
              WAF, Thessaloniki 13/9/2009. World Athletic Final. 13/9/2009 10.67 -0.1m/s
              add
              10.64 +1.2m/s Shanghai 20/9/2009
              and another far east meet (Japan?)


              Reported injuries.

              None.
              She pulled up at the very end of her Trials win in the 100 and then skipped the 200. Her loses came at that point.

              I'll do the breakdown for SAF tomorrow, time does not permit me to do it now.

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              • #37
                Overview, 2009 season, Jeter and SAF. 100m races only.

                Carmelita Jeter. Ranked # ?

                Five fastest times.
                10.64 +1.2m/s Shanghai 20/9/2009
                10.67 -0.1m/s Thessaloniki 13/9/2009
                10.72 +3.0m/s Eugene 26/6/2009
                10.78 +3.3m/s Eugene 26/6/2009
                10.83 -0.1m/s Berlin 17/8/2009

                Wins.
                Mt. SAC Relays, Walnut 18/4/2009. USATF/NCAA. 10.96 +0.9m/s
                Addidas Track Classic, Carson 16/5/2009. Area Permit Meeting. 11.09 -0.9m/s
                Reebok Grand Prix, New York 30/5/2009. Grand Prix. 10.85 +2.8m/s
                Prefontaine Classic, Eugene 7/6/2009. Grand Prix. 10.85 +3.2m/s
                National Championships, Eugene 26/6/2009. USATF.Championships 10.78 +3.3m/s
                25th Vardinoyiannia, Rethimno 20/7/2009. Area Permit Meeting. 10.97 +1.3m/s
                Aviva London GP, London 24/7/2009. Super Grand Prix. 10.92 -0.1m/s
                Weltklasse, Zurich 28/8/2009. Golden League.10.86 +0.7m/s
                Aviva British GP, Gateshead 31/8/2009. Grand Prix 11.07 -0.9m/s
                Memorial Van Damme, Bruxelles. 4/9/2009 Golden League 10.88 +0.5m/s
                WAF, Thessaloniki 13/9/2009. World Athletic Final. 10.67 -0.1m/s
                Golden Grand Prix, Shanghai 20/9/2009. Grand Prix. 10.64 +1.2m/s

                Losses.
                Althessima, Lausanne 7/7/2009. Super Grand Prix. 11.06 0.0m/s (2nd place)
                Golden Gala, Rome 10/7/2009. Golden League. 11.10 +0.6m/s (4th place, heat)
                Golden Gala, Rome 10/7/2009. Golden League. 11.01 +0.4m/s (4th place, final)
                Athens GP, Athina 13/7/2009. Grand Prix. 11.02 +0.4m/s (2nd place)
                World Championships, Berlin 17/8/2009. World Championships. 10.90 +0.1m/s (3rd place)

                Reported injuries.
                Cramps, 100m final at USATF trials 26/6/2009


                Shelly Ann Fraser. Ranked # ?

                Five fastest times.
                10.73 +0.1m/s Berlin 17/8/2009
                10.79 -0.14m/s Berlin 17/8/2009
                10.88 -1.5m/s Kingston 27/6/2009
                10.89 -0.1m/s Thessalonki 13/9/2009
                10.91 0.0m/s Monaco 28/7/2009

                Wins.
                National Championships, Kingston 27/6/2009. JAAA Championships 10.88 -1.5m/s
                Althletissima, Lausanne 7/7/2009. Super Grand Prix 11.03 0.0m/s
                Golden Gala, Rome 10/7/2009. Golden League 11.13 -0.5m/s (heat)
                Herculis, Monaco 28/7/2009. Super Grand Prix 10.91 0.0m/s
                World Championships, Berlin 17/8/2009. World Championships. 10.73 +0.1m/s
                Rieti 2009, Rieti 6/9/2009. Grand Prix 11.18 -2.4m/s

                Losses.
                Jamaica International, Kingston 2/5/2009. Area Permit Meeting 11.15 +1.2m/s (4th place)
                Prefontaine Classic, Eugene 7/6/2009. Grand Prix 11.10 +3.2m/s (4th place)
                Golden Gala, Rome 10/7/2009. Golden League 10.91 +0.4m/s (2nd place)
                Weltklasse, Zurich 28/8/2009. Golden League 11.10 +0.7m/s (4th place)
                Memorial Van Damme, Bruxelles 4/9/2009 Golden League 10.98 +0.5m/s (2nd place)
                WAF, Thessaloniki 13/9/2009. World Athletic Final. 10.89 -0.1m/s (2nd place)

                Injuries
                Surgery, appendix April.

                Summary.
                Jeter wins 12 events. 1 NCAA/USATF. 2 Area Permit. 1 National Championship. 4 Grand Prix. 1 Super Grand Prix. 2 Golden League. 1 World Athletic Final.
                Jeter lost 4 events. 1 Grand Prix. 1 Super Grand Prix. 1 Golden League (2 races) 1 World Championship.
                SAF wins 5 events. 1 National Championship. 1 Grand Prix. 2 Super Grand Prix. 1 World Championship. (1 win listed above was a heat)
                SAF lost 6 events. 1 Area Permit Meeting. 1 Grand Prix. 3 Golden League. 1 World Athletic Final.
                SAF sets new national record.

                Head-to-head Jeter versus SAF; 4-3.
                Regards,
                toyracer

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                • #38
                  Another set of relevant numbers is overall winning record:

                  Jeter wins 14/18 (.778)
                  Fraser 5/11 (.455)

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by gh
                    Another set of relevant numbers is overall winning record:

                    Jeter wins 14/18 (.778)
                    Fraser 5/11 (.455)
                    Jeter lost once other than to SAF; SAF lost two other times (since the record was 4-3 (J-SAF), thus was 2-2 in other races to Jeter's record of 10-1). I am slowly going into the 'I would vote fore Jeter' group from the 'I would vote for SAF' position that I held in August.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by gh
                      Another set of relevant numbers is overall winning record:

                      Jeter wins 14/18 (.778)
                      gh, I've obviously missed 2 wins for Jeter, which are they?

                      One observation: SAF certainly peaked when it counted; between the National Championships and the World Championships. Had a nice streak through that period.
                      Regards,
                      toyracer

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                      • #41
                        Can someone confirm when the appendectomy was? If it was in April it only cost her approx. 2 weeks??? And she was back to running 22.3 or 4 by May? When was her surgery?

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by toyracer
                          Originally posted by gh
                          Another set of relevant numbers is overall winning record:

                          Jeter wins 14/18 (.778)
                          gh, I've obviously missed 2 wins for Jeter, which are they?

                          One observation: SAF certainly peaked when it counted; between the National Championships and the World Championships. Had a nice streak through that period.
                          11.16 (-1.2) 1)Baie Mahault 5/1
                          10.83 (-0.4) 1)Daegu 9/25

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Smoke
                            Can someone confirm when the appendectomy was? If it was in April it only cost her approx. 2 weeks??? And she was back to running 22.3 or 4 by May? When was her surgery?
                            It was that 'psychic surgery' where a swami reaches his hand into you and removes the problem with no incision.

                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychic_surgery

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Smoke
                              Can someone confirm when the appendectomy was? If it was in April it only cost her approx. 2 weeks??? And she was back to running 22.3 or 4 by May? When was her surgery?
                              Reports say April. 3 weeks missed.

                              http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/trackandf ... id=4405370

                              http://www.soulrebelproductions.com/cms ... 17058.html

                              http://dresonic.wordpress.com/category/ ... nn-fraser/

                              http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sports/h ... PETITE.asp

                              It seems that a hamstring strain can be added to her injury list.
                              Regards,
                              toyracer

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                              • #45
                                thanks toyracer. I can put appendectomy down as a regular issue now, judging by her words and the results of her races in April and May. I would have expected more of an impact but clearly this is a manageable issue. I am actually surprised it took so little time and had a much less impact than I would have thought.
                                She has stated she missed 2-3 weeks.
                                She came off those weeks and immediately ran a 200. WOW!!!
                                TR you have also solidified my belief that this is a year where the WChamp will not be number one by default. The same way I felt about 1996, but we know how that turned out.

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