Russian multis champs - Chernova 4855, Drozdov 6300

[Powell]

At the national multi event championships in Penza, Tatyana Chernova set a big WL mark with 4855 (8.38-1.86-13.38-6.72-2:12.70). Her LJ mark is also the WL. Marina Goncharova was second with 4605, Olga Zaynutdinova third with 4523.

Aleksey Drozdov won the heptathlon title with 6300 (also a WL). His series was 7.08-7.55-17.03-2.15-8.35-5.20-2:49.41. Behind him, Vasiliy Kharlamov scored 6035 and Aleksandr Kislov 5994.

[Jon]

Chernova now moves up to No.6 performer all time and Drozdov is No.11.

Already this year the men's hep is looking solid - Ashton Eaton (6256), Oleksey Kasyanov (6254 NR, inc a 8.04m LJ!), and now Drozdov (6300). Eaton probably won't be in Doha, but if Hardee and Pahapill show up there in good form, it's going to be a cracking battle.

[Pego]

Looking at these number, I have a question. Is there a reasonably reliable tool prognosticating Hep/Dec results from Pen/Hep results?

[Powell]

Looking at these number, I have a question. Is there a reasonably reliable tool prognosticating Hep/Dec results from Pen/Hep results?

Yes - for a specific athlete, if you know how good they are in the outdoors-only events.

[Pego]

Looking at these number, I have a question. Is there a reasonably reliable tool prognosticating Hep/Dec results from Pen/Hep results?

Yes - for a specific athlete, if you know how good they are in the outdoors-only events.

Duh .

[Powell]

Duh .

You can't seriously suggest there is a universal formula for converting pentathlon to heptathlon scores which could apply to everyone. Consider Carolina Kluft and Kelly Sotherton: they had very similar pentathlon PBs, but Kluft could throw the javelin 10-15 meters farther and run the 200 a few tenths faster.

[pauluk63]

Chernova already has the pedigree, she has never got a heptathlon right!

her outdoor pbs
13.47, 1.87, 13.57, 23.50, 6.78, 54.49, 2.06.50 = 6978

ennis outdoor pbs
12.81, 1.95, 14.14, 23.15, 6.43, 46.47, 2.09.88= 6934

fountain outdoor pbs
12.78, 1.89, 13.81, 23.21, 6.89, 48.15, 2.15.32 = 6937

if only ennis could long jump... but as you can see chernovas pbs bring her out on top and she can improve that hurdles i would think!

[KLocke]

The hep is a different animal. A healthy Ennis and Fountain will do the business. It's (1) event NOT 7. could be exciting

Chernova already has the pedigree, she has never got a heptathlon right!

her outdoor pbs
13.47, 1.87, 13.57, 23.50, 6.78, 54.49, 2.06.50 = 6978

ennis outdoor pbs
12.81, 1.95, 14.14, 23.15, 6.43, 46.47, 2.09.88= 6934

fountain outdoor pbs
12.78, 1.89, 13.81, 23.21, 6.89, 48.15, 2.15.32 = 6937

if only ennis could long jump... but as you can see chernovas pbs bring her out on top and she can improve that hurdles i would think!

[Pego]

Duh .

You can't seriously suggest there is a universal formula for converting pentathlon to heptathlon scores which could apply to everyone. Consider Carolina Kluft and Kelly Sotherton: they had very similar pentathlon PBs, but Kluft could throw the javelin 10-15 meters farther and run the 200 a few tenths faster.

I don't suggest anything. I asked a question, perhaps a naive one. Instead of a "no", you ridiculed me. End of my question.

[pauluk63]

The hep is a different animal. A healthy Ennis and Fountain will do the business. It's (1) event NOT 7. could be exciting

Chernova already has the pedigree, she has never got a heptathlon right!

her outdoor pbs
13.47, 1.87, 13.57, 23.50, 6.78, 54.49, 2.06.50 = 6978

ennis outdoor pbs
12.81, 1.95, 14.14, 23.15, 6.43, 46.47, 2.09.88= 6934

fountain outdoor pbs
12.78, 1.89, 13.81, 23.21, 6.89, 48.15, 2.15.32 = 6937

if only ennis could long jump... but as you can see chernovas pbs bring her out on top and she can improve that hurdles i would think!

true but if chernova finally gets the javelin right in a major heptathlon champs she could end it all in one event, i remember when she was a junior she said she would be throwing 58 meters soon enough, she through over 50m as a teenager!

[Gabriella]

This is a great result for Chernova, it's another indoor HJ PB as well as an indoor SP and LJ PB. The hurdles is good for her too.

She ran a great hurdles (for her) in Berlin but let herself down with a terrible HJ of just 1.74. That effectively killed her challenge for gold right away then and her poor JT killed any chance of any medal at all.

She'll never be a great hurdler with her height, but her earlier 8.22 over 60mh and now this 8.3 suggests she'll run faster than her 13.47 PB over 100mh. If she can do a 13.4 or faster that is excellent for her. This indoors she has been consistent in the mid 1.8's in the HJ and it's this event that in the past she hasn't delivered in so much on the big stage, so this is good thus far.

Having seen the last two Gotzis meets I did get the impression that Chernova either has a problem with focus or concentration. If she can sort her head out she will be very dangerous over the coming years. Don't forget she was only 20 in Beijing and 21 in Berlin! She can and has thrown over 50m in majors (Berlin being a blip) and she ran sub 2:10 in both Beijing and Berlin. Her SP will get better as she get's older. She still has the ability to reach 7000 pts in the future if she gets everything right.

[Gabriella]

Duh .

You can't seriously suggest there is a universal formula for converting pentathlon to heptathlon scores which could apply to everyone. Consider Carolina Kluft and Kelly Sotherton: they had very similar pentathlon PBs, but Kluft could throw the javelin 10-15 meters farther and run the 200 a few tenths faster.

Kluft only ran 'a few tenths faster' than Sotherton in a major champs once, in Athens in 2004 she ran 23.27 to Sotherton's 23.57. After that, Kluft beat her 23.70 to 23.94 in Helsinki; Sotherton beat Kluft 23.57 to 23.86 in Gothenberg 06 then in Osaka it was just 2/100ths difference, 23.38 vs 23.40 (CK/KS)

You can make some reasonable assumptions on what an athlete should do outdoors based on an indoor pentathlon but obviously only in the events that are contested in both. The red herring tends to be the Shot though, where often athletes will throw far indoors due to the heavy strength training they're doing.

For the hurdles, looking at what other women have done indoors and out, if a woman runs 8.2 - 8.3 over 60mh she will run in the 13.1 to 13.4 range over 100mh. Outside 8.4 and you're looking at a very mediocre/poor 100mh. If she runs under 8.2 then she's looking at a very good 100mh time outdoors. On this basis, Chernova's 8.22 and this 8.38 suggest something between 13.1 and 13.4, while Ennis's 7.95 obviosuly suggests sub 13 shape.