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  • #16
    Originally posted by 26mi235
    Seems a silly conclusion to me. If he is on the relay team they lose all the points, but otherwise you just remove the athlete. Sure, other teams strategies might have been different but so might FSU. In fact, if they had a big enough lead and held back some, maybe they would have won even without the implicated athletes. Why punish all of the other athletes when the school turned itself in?
    I'm ok with those not implicated holding on to any individual honors/remaining in the results, but if the program is being punished, seems that keeping 2nd place & the large trophy that goes with it is a bit bogus. I can think of two schools in the past 20 years who were not eligible for conference or national placings, but whose athletes were permitted to compete.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by KevinM
      Originally posted by 26mi235
      Seems a silly conclusion to me. If he is on the relay team they lose all the points, but otherwise you just remove the athlete. Sure, other teams strategies might have been different but so might FSU. In fact, if they had a big enough lead and held back some, maybe they would have won even without the implicated athletes. Why punish all of the other athletes when the school turned itself in?
      I'm ok with those not implicated holding on to any individual honors/remaining in the results, but if the program is being punished, seems that keeping 2nd place & the large trophy that goes with it is a bit bogus. I can think of two schools in the past 20 years who were not eligible for conference or national placings, but whose athletes were permitted to compete.
      The NCAA did not penalize they program that severely, so you just get the points effects. Are you saying that the infractions were more major and deserved a more major penalty, and do you have enough information about all of the details to make that call clearly. The penalty was just to remove the athletes from the individual events in which there was a resulting infraction. In some cases this meant the a number of contests were not affect until a certain point in time and the violation was gone by another point in time (I think that this was the case).

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      • #18
        OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM BOB BRAMAN
        Obviously we’re disappointed with the NCAA’s vacation of wins and how it affects our Track & Field program. None of our athletes that were involved in the academic misconduct case needed the course in order to be NCAA eligible so it’s unfortunate that certain student-athletes made wrong choices when they clearly didn’t have to.

        Our Men’s Track & Field program is learning a very painful lesson. The vacation of a National Title is certainly more punitive than perhaps the loss of regular season wins in a non-championship type season, but that is the potential outcome when student-athletes make poor decisions.

        We understand and accept the NCAA’s penalty, but want to point out that without any gained eligibility we gained no unfair advantage over our opponents. We would have won that Title with or without that on-line course.

        I’m very proud of our academic history of our Track & Field teams. In the past five years we’ve had the most Academic All-Americans in Track & Field of any school in the country. Highlighted, of course, by 2006 NCAA Shot Put Champion and Rhodes Scholar
        Garrett Johnson. We also have regularly been at the top of the ACC in number of All-Academic Track & Field performers, and in fact led the ACC in Men’s and Women’s All-Academic honorees in both Indoor and Outdoor Track & Field last year.

        We as coaches will double our efforts to instill only the finest values in our athletes and provide them with exemplary leadership in athletics, in the classroom and in life.

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