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  • #16
    Re: Clement =WJR in 400

    >Which is 10.00 by
    >Carl Lewis in 1981

    No, it's 9.97 by Seun Ogunkoya in 1997.

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    • #17
      Re: Clement =WJR in 400

      >>Which is 10.00 by
      >Carl Lewis in 1981

      No, it's 9.97 by Seun Ogunkoya in
      >1997.

      Born December 28 1977, 9.97 in Formia July 13 1997.

      100m men born in Jan/Feb:

      Tim Montgomery
      Leroy Burrell
      Andre Cason (WJC)
      Tim Harden
      Calvin Smith (junior star)
      Bernard Williams
      Dennis Mitchell
      Shawn Crawford
      Justin Gatlin (junior star)
      Percy Spencer

      Born in Nov/Dec:

      Ben Johnson
      Ato Boldon (b Dec 30, yet double WJC)
      Seun Ogunkoya (WJ silver)
      Davidson Ezinwa (WJC)
      Deji Aliu (WJC)
      Francis Obikwelu (WJC)
      Eric Nkansah
      Jeff Williams

      Darrel Brown (WJC) was born Oct 11 84.

      Funny that so many junior 100m stars were born late in the year. Under Conway's rule they would all have had another year as a junior. Ogunkoya would have a WJR of 9.97. Obikwelu ran 10.01 at 19, Ezinwa 10.04, Aliu 10.02. Matt Shirvington was 19 when he ran 10.03 at the CG in 98.

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      • #18
        Re: Clement =WJR in 400

        I'm afraid I don't understand the argument against the current rules about being a junior. What could be more clear - you are a teenager for the entire year in question. Making the cutoff be in September (or any interior month) would make no sense, because there ARE competitions in all 12 calendar months. So if you're born Aug 31 you're NOT OK, but Sep 1 you are? The demarcation is obviously always going to be an arbitrary one, so calendar year IS the most logical. Soccer, for some totally unknown reason has Sep 1 as its determining date for youth teams, and it is a source of huge disgruntlement. Calendar year is the only way to go.

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        • #19
          Re: Clement =WJR in 400

          exactly tafnut
          why don't people pronounce vowels anymore

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          • #20
            Re: Clement =WJR in 400

            >Defining the competitive season as ending say the final day of September since
            >few meets are ever conducted past that point ...

            Wonder if those living on the southern hemisphere (Australia, South Africa, ....) agree.

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            • #21
              Re: Clement =WJR in 400

              >The examples you gave are nit picky, made
              >up situations to attempt to prove a point ... I >am talking reality here ...

              Made up, you say ? Here are a couple of real examples:
              The last edition of World Junior Champs took place from 16th till 21th July 2002. The US Junior Nationals that year took place on 21-21 June.
              Now, assuming you had your way :
              Pole vaulter Amy Linnen (best in the US in her age category, SB 4.31, would be a serious medal candidate in Kingston), born 15 July 1982, could compete in the junior nationals, would have most probably won, but as her birthday was one day before the start of the WJCh - no global medals for her...
              400 meter runner Otis Harris (ran 45.42 in 2002) - born 30 June 1982, same situation.

              Ethiopian 800 meter runner Berhanu Alemu (1:45.35 in 2002, serious medal chances), born 16 July 1982: the heats in Kingston took place on his birthday, so he could be allowed to run there, but he definitely wouldn't be eligible for the semis on the next day...
              The German Rene Herms, competing in the same event (1:45.85 in 2002, another serious contender), born 17 July 1982: he'd be OK for the heats and semis, but the final would be a no-no...
              British javelin thrower Katharine Sayers (58.20 in 2002, easily good enough for gold in Kingston), born 16 July 1982: the qualifying was taking place on her birthday, the final was the day after...

              Now, what would you do in those cases?
              Było smaszno, a jaszmije smukwijne...

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              • #22
                Re: Clement =WJR in 400

                Here is all sub age-20 100m performances sub 10.10 sorted on time

                Seun Ogunkoya was 19y and 197d in Formia 13.07.1997 when running 9.97
                Carl Lewis was 19y and 319d in Dallas 16.05.1981 when running 10.00
                Francis Obikwelu was 19y and 229d in Oslo 09.07.1998 when running 10.01
                Darrell Brown was 18y and 317d in Saint-Denis 24.08.2003 when running 10.01
                Deji Aliu was 19y and 116d in Bauchi 18.03.1995 when running 10.02
                Matthew Shirvington was 19y and 327d in Kuala Lumpur 17.09.1998 when running 10.03
                Davidson Ezinwa was 19y and 254d in Lagos 02.08.1991 when running 10.04
                Mark Lewis-Francis was 19y and 304d in Saint-Denis 05.07.2002 when running 10.04
                Davidson Ezinwa was 18y and 42d in Bauchi 03.01.1990 when running 10.05
                Dwain Chambers was 19y and 111d in Ljubljana 25.07.1997 when running 10.06
                Francis Obikwelu was 19y and 210d in Lisboa 20.06.1998 when running 10.06
                Francis Obikwelu was 19y and 229d in Oslo 09.07.1998 when running 10.06
                Mark Lewis-Francis was 19y and 312d in Birmingham 13.07.2002 when running 10.06
                Stanley Floyd was 18y and 335d in Austin 24.05.1980 when running 10.07
                Matthew Shirvington was 19y and 321d in Johannesburg 11.09.1998 when running 10.07
                Mark Lewis-Francis was 19y and 284d in Manchester 15.06.2002 when running 10.07
                Dabryan Blanton was 18y and 331d in Lincoln 30.05.2003 when running 10.07
                André Cason was 19y and 155d in Tallahassee 24.06.1988 when running 10.08
                Obadele Thompson was 18y and 17d in El Paso 16.04.1994 when running 10.08
                Francis Obikwelu was 19y and 210d in Lisboa 20.06.1998 when running 10.08
                Francis Obikwelu was 19y and 263d in Zürich 12.08.1998 when running 10.08
                Justin Gatlin was 19y and 112d in Eugene 02.06.2001 when running 10.08
                Mark Lewis-Francis was 19y and 360d in Bruxelles 30.08.2002 when running 10.08
                Darrell Brown was 18y and 225d in Eugene 24.05.2003 when running 10.08
                Darrell Brown was 18y and 318d in Saint-Denis 25.08.2003 when running 10.08
                Mel Lattany was 18y and 355d in Colorado Springs 30.07.1978 when running 10.09
                Davidson Ezinwa was 18y and 42d in Bauchi 03.01.1990 when running 10.09
                Davidson Ezinwa was 19y and 254d in Lagos 02.08.1991 when running 10.09
                Francis Obikwelu was 19y and 263d in Zürich 12.08.1998 when running 10.09
                Darrell Brown was 17y and 279d in Kingston 17.07.2002 when running 10.09

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