¶NCAA mDec: Ashton Eaton (Oregon) 8457 CL

[Dave]

Re: NCAA mDec: 10:00 Thursday

Vis a vis Hardee:

8465 Trey Hardee USA 07/02/1984 1 Austin, TX 06/04/2006
( 10.35/2.5 - 7.70/3.0 - 14.45 - 1.99 - 49.11 / 13.83/3.1 - 48.24 - 5.20 - 60.00 - 5:06.73 )

Eaton
( 10.37?.? - 7.90/?.?- 12.60 - 2.02 , ??/ ?)

This is still possible. Eaton will have to make up some ground on the 400, have a really good PV, and run like hell in the 1500 to do it.

[edit] With current wind rules, would Hardee's record count?

[Half Miler]

Re: NCAA mDec: 10:00 Thursday

With current wind rules, would Hardee's record count?

Quoting gh, from an earlier thread:

Hardee (sigh) also illegal by stupid new IAAF rules. NCAA rules still have the old wording.

We'll abide by the new IAAF stricture, which for now probably makes Pappas the standing CR holder.

[Half Miler]

Re: NCAA mDec: 10:00 Thursday

But I've noticed that T&FN still lists Hardee as the record holder. Not sure if this means they haven't gotten around to changing it, or if they're going with the NCAA rules with regard to wind. This would be a great time for gh to chime in, since Eaton has a shot at 'somebody's' CR.

Pappas' iaaf-wind-legal CR is 8463, so it's still gonna be tough for him.

[Dave]

Re: NCAA mDec: 10:00 Thursday

But I've noticed that T&FN still lists Hardee as the record holder. Not sure if this means they haven't gotten around to changing it, or if they're going with the NCAA rules with regard to wind. This would be a great time for gh to chime in, since Eaton has a shot at 'somebody's' CR.

Pappas' iaaf-wind-legal CR is 8463, so it's still gonna be tough for him.

There isn't a lot of difference between the two marks.

Not that this is any revelation, but Eaton is only hampered by his throws. Once he figures out how to throw things, he will conquer the outdoor world.

[AS]

Re: NCAA mDec: 10:00 Thursday

After his 46.28 (!!!) 400m Eaton is at 4500. That's 98 points ahead of Hardee

Where's the time place him on all-time decath 400m?

1 Ashton Eaton 10.37 7.90m 12.60m 2.02m 46.28
Oregon w: 0.5 w: 1.1 41-04.25 6-07.5
SR 4500 (1006) (1035) (643) (822) (994) 4500 (0) (0) (0) (0) (0)
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2 Trinity Otto 10.74 7.52m 14.57m 1.96m 48.92
Texas A&M w: 0.5 w: 0.8 47-09.75 6-05
SR 4254 (919) (940) (763) (767) (865) 4254 (0) (0) (0) (0) (0)
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3 Miller Moss 10.78 7.13m 13.30m 1.96m 47.96
Clemson w: 0.5 w: -0.2 43-07.75 6-05
SR 4119 (910) (845) (686) (767) (911) 4119 (0) (0) (0) (0) (0)
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4 Kurt Felix 11.26 7.27m 12.87m 2.11m 50.64
Boise State w: 0.7 w: 2.6 42-02.75 6-11
JR 4032 (804) (878) (659) (906) (785) 4032 (0) (0) (0) (0) (0)
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5 Michael Morrison 11.00 7.24m 12.00m 1.99m 48.63
California w: 0.5 w: 0.8 39-04.5 6-06.25
JR 4011 (861) (871) (606) (794) (879) 4011 (0) (0) (0) (0) (0)
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6 Jeremy Taiwo 11.02 6.94m 11.97m 2.02m 48.98
Washington w: 0.7 w: 1.3 39-03.25 6-07.5
SO 3944 (856) (799) (605) (822) (862) 3944 (0) (0) (0) (0) (0)
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7 Lars Rise 11.19 6.90m 15.62m 1.87m 50.51
Missouri w: 0.7 w: 0.8 51-03 6-01.5
JR 3915 (819) (790) (828) (687) (791) 3915 (0) (0) (0) (0) (0)
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8 Nick Adcock 11.20 7.02m 13.15m 1.93m 49.01
Missouri w: 0.5 w: -1.5 43-01.75 6-04
SR 3912 (817) (818) (676) (740) (861) 3912 (0) (0) (0) (0) (0)
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9 Mateo Sossah 11.58 7.07m 13.15m 2.05m 50.33
North Carolina w: 1.0 w: 1.8 43-01.75 6-08.75
SR 3891 (736) (830) (676) (850) (799) 3891 (0) (0) (0) (0) (0)
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10 Philip Adam 11.14 6.85m 14.42m 1.90m 50.28
Rice w: 0.7 w: 1.9 47-03.75 6-02.75
JR 3878 (830) (778) (754) (714) (802) 3878 (0) (0) (0) (0) (0)

[AS]

Re: NCAA mDec: 10:00 Thursday

Answering my own question Eaton's 46.28 puts him into 7th spot on 400m list:

1 William Toomey USA 45,68 8144 Mexico City 18.10.1968
2 Duane Ladejo GBR 46,12 7633 Kuala Lumpur 17.09.1998
3 Yunior Diaz CUB 46,15 8357 Berlin 20.08.2009
4 Dean Macey GBR 46,21 8603 Edmonton 06.08.2001
5 Erki Nool EST 46,23 8815 Edmonton 06.08.2001
6 Jefferson Bennett USA 46,25 7920 München 07.09.1972
7 EATON
8 Dave Buck USA 46,29 7226 Lake Tahoe 06.09.1968

From http://www.decathlon2000.ee/eng/statistics.php?art=861

[hooptampa]

Re: NCAA mDec: 10:00 Thursday

a blazing fast 46.28 for Eaton which is the college record in the 400 dec. and only 0.6 slower than the decathlon world record held by Bill Toomey!!!

At some point Eaton could push the 100 WR of 10.22, the 400 WR of 45.68, and the hurdles WR which I think is 13.47. And he runs a good 1500!

4500 points after Day 1, which is only 6 points up on his PR of 8310, so he'll need a large Day 2 PR to approach Hardee's CR.

This will be Eaton's 10th collegiate 8000 point decathlon, which has got to be the most ever by quite a bit. Pappas, Clay, Hardee had maybe 4 8,000 point dec's in college. The force is strong with this one.

[hooptampa]

Re: NCAA mDec: 10:00 Thursday

AS:

Hardee is much stronger than Eaton in the discus and jav (48 meter disc and 60 meter jav in his CR), so I think the more relevant comparison is what might Eaton do on Day 2.

In his career he's scored over 3900 once and 3800 three other times. He's scored 3816 and 3934 in his two 2010 meets, which would project to the 8316-8434 range. I don't see Eaton ahead of Hardee's CR pace, more accurately slightly behind.

[AS]

Re: NCAA mDec: 10:00 Thursday

If Eaton's 2nd day went something like this (all marks are slightly worse than his PRs):

13.65
42m
5.00m
50m
4:30.0

He'd score 3969 for the second day = 8469... and beat Hardee's record by 4pts!

[Dave]

Re: NCAA mDec: 10:00 Thursday

Vis a vis Hardee:

8465 Trey Hardee USA 07/02/1984 1 Austin, TX 06/04/2006
( 10.35/2.5 - 7.70/3.0 - 14.45 - 1.99 - 49.11 / 13.83/3.1 - 48.24 - 5.20 - 60.00 - 5:06.73 )

Eaton's PAC 10

8154 Ashton Eaton USA 21/01/1988 1 Berkeley, CA 09/05/2010
( 10.59/-0.5 - 7.43/1.6 - 12.77 - 1.94 - 47.25 / 13.79/-1.0 - 42.29 - 5.15 - 49.67 - 4:39.97)

Eaton's NCAA
( 10.37?.? - 7.90/?.?- 12.60 - 2.02 - 46.28 / ?)

This is still possible. Eaton made up some ground on the 400. He will need have a really good PV, and run like hell in the 1500 to do it. Who knows if his 110 and 1500 can offset his throws? PV could go either way.

I am not betting Eaton will have much left for the LJ on Saturday.

[jeremyp]

Re: NCAA mDec: 10:00 Thursday

Taiwo took an awful looking fall in the hurdles. Looked K.O.'d.

[jeremyp]

Re: NCAA mDec: 10:00 Thursday

Taiwo up and walking. Had the wind knocked out, my guess.

[Half Miler]

Re: NCAA mDec: 10:00 Thursday

Eaton runs a nice 13.68 for 1016 points. 5516 after 6 events.

Taiwo withdraws after his fall.

[jeremyp]

Re: NCAA mDec: 10:00 Thursday

5516 for Eaton. 13.68 hurdles. Touch and go gor record. Will be interesting to see how he runs 1500 in front of home crowd if record is on the line.

[jkjoregon]

Re: NCAA mDec: 10:00 Thursday

5516 for Eaton. 13.68 hurdles. Touch and go gor record. Will be interesting to see how he runs 1500 in front of home crowd if record is on the line.

His 13.68 would have qualified him for the 110H finals. 8-)