why the inconsistent blackballing of athletes? [split]

[Smoke]

I need an answer to an old question that I just do not get. Dwain is blackballed and Damu is gray balled (I made that up because she is not completely blocked only sometimes) but Maggi is allowed to play at will??? Why? Honest question, not trying to be political or muckrake, it is just been such a hot button that I am lost on why she skates through unscathed like the 2 above and potentially SAF.

[Pelpa]

Re: provisional Paris entry lists

Charm and charisma. Smile!!!

[donley2]

Re: why the inconsistent blackballing of athletes? [split]

Isn't the ultimate answer that it is completely at the whim of the meet directors. Even when they sign "agreements" to keep certain athletes out they are not actually bound to them in any enforceable way. It seems that mainly several of the meets don't want the inevitable press coverage (aided mightily by the british press) that follows Dwain around. Other lower profile athletes can slip by with only a tiny few (such as those on this board) even noticing.

[gh]

Re: why the inconsistent blackballing of athletes? [split]

Without the remotest specific knowledge, here's two theories:

1. Olympic gold medals trump all kinds of offenses.

2. The promoters figure that women field-eventers are so low profile that nobody on the planet remembers that Maggi ever was popped. (And she's also a rare one who came back from a pop and did better, medalwise, than before)

But in any case, you are right: it's got to be an either or.

IMHO, if you did the crime and paid the time, you should be allowed back. Otherwise, the spirit of the penalty isn't being honored.

[Daisy]

Re: why the inconsistent blackballing of athletes? [split]

Chambers was too candid and they won't forgive him. Say nothing, or deny, deny and you're fine.

[Pelpa]

Re: why the inconsistent blackballing of athletes? [split]

...3. Dwain "Boo Radley" Chambers just has that 'it factor' (huge muscular strapping male and former speedy 100m sprinter found to have been a drug cheat) that makes him the perfect sensational mockingbird on the IAAF/WADA/Diamond League organisers' guillotine. He'll just have to live with the old "made an example of " addage.

[Smoke]

Re: why the inconsistent blackballing of athletes? [split]

Wow Pelpa love the play on Boo Radley. I got you, and sadly it looks true.

gh agreed.

Daisy the crazy part is he told the truth before he was suspended, but when he wrote the book and had Conte write the letter all hell came down on him. Go figure

I was hoping I missed something but it seems we all perceive the same things about this

[Jon]

Re: why the inconsistent blackballing of athletes? [split]

Maggi hasn't actually competed this year. She was in one Euro Meetings competition last year (Hengelo) and three the year before (Madrid, Rethymno, Lausanne). Cherry has been in one so far this year (Heusden), five last year (Berlin, Oslo, Paris, Rethymno, Rieti) and three the year before (Karlsruhe, Athens, Zagreb). So since this Euro Meetings ban came in, Cherry has been in more than twice the number of Euro Meetings competitions than Maggi - if anything, Maggi is being grayballed and Cherry is the one slipping through the net.

[mump boy]

Re: why the inconsistent blackballing of athletes? [split]

Maggi hasn't actually competed this year. She was in one Euro Meetings competition last year (Hengelo) and three the year before (Madrid, Rethymno, Lausanne). Cherry has been in one so far this year (Heusden), five last year (Berlin, Oslo, Paris, Rethymno, Rieti) and three the year before (Karlsruhe, Athens, Zagreb). So since this Euro Meetings ban came in, Cherry has been in more than twice the number of Euro Meetings competitions than Maggi - if anything, Maggi is being grayballed and Cherry is the one slipping through the net.

and if i remember correctly she only ran so many last year is because she won the first couple GL races so they had to let her compete again as soon as she was beaten she didn't appear in any others as the promoters caught on. unfortunately i don't think all met promoters are as knowledgeable about who's failed tests as we are.

why is this argument always about letting DC run ? only because he is the highest profile drug cheat out there, which is exactly the reason no-one wants him in their races. there have been very few instances of drug cheats being allowed into races yet some people always complain that he's being treated unfaitly, i've never heard anyone complaining that Anastaia Kapuchinskaya doesn't get to run or making the case for Andrei Mikhnevich

[Pego]

Re: why the inconsistent blackballing of athletes? [split]

Soon we'll see how is Gatlin treated.

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Re: why the inconsistent blackballing of athletes? [split]

For clarity, Damu was allowed to compete and won the first 2 races and when it was brought up she was NOT invoted to the third leg which ended her chances of winning the jackpot, then she was invited to the fourth meet.
Mump you cannot insert your feelings and personal opinion into this because that is not what these promoters have based their move on DC about. It is about DC because as I stated 2 years ago the meet promoters made it about DC. They are the ones that banned together to ban him and state that by their own rules, ANY athlete that has served a 2 year ban is not permitted or welcome in the euromeetings. So when that was said, Damu popped out like a jack in the box for folks like myself and then there was Maggi shining brightly as the Olympic champ. Which became an issue because the BOA has their life time ban.
The other athletes are not mentioned, and that mump is the point I am trying to make. DC would not be mentioned if WE didnt keep spotlighting him. He would be just another sprinter in the race as he was last year in Berlin! No talk of his suspension or past he was just the sprinter in lane 1 or 2 trying to win a medal.
As the title suggests it is inconsistent. And the reason is simple, it is personal. They used a bad rule and they are paying the price for basing their DC decisions on that rule. I would have preferred they just told the truth but that is not the case. he embarrassed them and he is paying the price, and only he is paying that price. now what if he wins Europeans????? A very likely scenario. Are we allowed to forgive him then? Does he get the Maggi pass now that he is quiet and just running? Or are we still trying to ruin him and force him out of the sport?

[gh]

Re: why the inconsistent blackballing of athletes? [split]

Maggi hasn't actually competed this year. She was in one Euro Meetings competition last year (Hengelo) and three the year before (Madrid, Rethymno, Lausanne). Cherry has been in one so far this year (Heusden), five last year (Berlin, Oslo, Paris, Rethymno, Rieti) and three the year before (Karlsruhe, Athens, Zagreb). So since this Euro Meetings ban came in, Cherry has been in more than twice the number of Euro Meetings competitions than Maggi - if anything, Maggi is being grayballed and Cherry is the one slipping through the net.

Note that this was a split thread; the reason Maggi's name came up is because she's on the Paris DL start list, which is where the thread originated.

[mump boy]

Re: why the inconsistent blackballing of athletes? [split]

For clarity, Damu was allowed to compete and won the first 2 races and when it was brought up she was NOT invoted to the third leg which ended her chances of winning the jackpot, then she was invited to the fourth meet.
Mump you cannot insert your feelings and personal opinion into this because that is not what these promoters have based their move on DC about. It is about DC because as I stated 2 years ago the meet promoters made it about DC. They are the ones that banned together to ban him and state that by their own rules, ANY athlete that has served a 2 year ban is not permitted or welcome in the euromeetings. So when that was said, Damu popped out like a jack in the box for folks like myself and then there was Maggi shining brightly as the Olympic champ. Which became an issue because the BOA has their life time ban.
The other athletes are not mentioned, and that mump is the point I am trying to make. DC would not be mentioned if WE didnt keep spotlighting him. He would be just another sprinter in the race as he was last year in Berlin! No talk of his suspension or past he was just the sprinter in lane 1 or 2 trying to win a medal.
As the title suggests it is inconsistent. And the reason is simple, it is personal. They used a bad rule and they are paying the price for basing their DC decisions on that rule. I would have preferred they just told the truth but that is not the case. he embarrassed them and he is paying the price, and only he is paying that price. now what if he wins Europeans????? A very likely scenario. Are we allowed to forgive him then? Does he get the Maggi pass now that he is quiet and just running? Or are we still trying to ruin him and force him out of the sport?

of course it's inconsistent i never said it wasn't, my point is that it's not the meet promoters who are making it about DC it's people like you who keep bringing him up. i'm all for consistency but the argument shouldn't be to keep it consistent let DC run along with the few other cheats who've been allowed in, the argument should be to keep them all out.

[7-sided]

Re: why the inconsistent blackballing of athletes? [split]

If they banned every cheat from DL and other events after they served a ban it wouldn't bother me one bit, but it does bother me - a lot - that only Chambers is subjected to this treatment. Whether Maggi has been in one or 20...Dwain hasn't run in any; whether Stambolova has run in one or 20...Dwain hasn't run in any; whether Cherry has run in one or 20...Dwain hasn't run in any. And, we all know that Prefontaine's Jordan has been scarily non-commital about Gatlin in 2011.

The DL made a specific rule. Articulated it (and it didn't say Dwain ony). They should follow it (as I hoped that they would) or disband the rule and allow Dwain to run. It's not right. If this is because of Sebastian Coe...then Its my hope that he never becomes IAAF president.

[Daisy]

Re: why the inconsistent blackballing of athletes? [split]

If this is because of Sebastian Coe...then Its my hope that he never becomes IAAF president.

He definitely holds grudges. Look at how he interacts with Christie too.