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  • #16
    Re: Monaco DL—w3000 (final event)

    Originally posted by jeremyp
    I've always liked Rowbury. I think both she and her training mate Leonel Manzano should seriously consider the 5k.
    What has Leo ever done above 1500/mile to remotely show that he trends longer?

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    • #17
      Re: Monaco DL—w3000 (final event)

      hopefully she'll find herself in a 5k in the coming weeks. 2:00, 4:00, now 8:31, she seems to always get the short end of the stick with PR's lol. im betting on a 14:40 5k by the end of the season.

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      • #18
        Re: Monaco DL—w3000 (final event)

        Originally posted by 4:24-miler
        Did Rowbury PR by, gulp, 37 seconds? :shock: Her 8:31.38 converts to a 3:57 1500m and a 14:44 5000m.
        these times are in no way comparable :?
        i deserve extra credit

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        • #19
          Re: Monaco DL—w3000 (final event)

          IAAF Women's Outdoor Scoring Tables

          1204 pts = 8:31.37 = 4:00.24 = 14:41.56

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          • #20
            Re: Monaco DL—w3000 (final event)

            "Rowbury now No. 3 American ever:

            8:25.83 Mary Slaney (Athletics West) 9/07/85
            8:31.08+ Regina Jacobs (Mizuno) 8/12/99
            8:31.38 Shannon Rowbury (Nike) 7/22/10
            ___________________________

            Peter Larsson's "All-Time" best marks list (not curently showing 8:31.08 by Jacobs) has Rowbury number 2 USA best-ever at 3000m. I don't feel qualified to correct Mr. Larsson, but this forum has plenty of experts who seem unlikely to be so reluctant. A change may have already been made even as I write.

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            • #21
              Re: Monaco DL—w3000 (final event)

              Originally posted by Peter Michaelson
              IAAF Women's Outdoor Scoring Tables

              1204 pts = 8:31.37 = 4:00.24 = 14:41.56
              Sounds about right to me.

              Weird how Jamal suddenly runs 8:29 having been stuck at 4:06-4:10 for 1500m all year!
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              • #22
                Re: Monaco DL—w3000 (final event)

                Rowbury now the top non-drug cheating US woman at 3000.

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                • #23
                  Re: Monaco DL—w3000 (final event)

                  Originally posted by nevetsllim
                  Originally posted by Peter Michaelson
                  IAAF Women's Outdoor Scoring Tables

                  1204 pts = 8:31.37 = 4:00.24 = 14:41.56
                  Sounds about right to me.

                  Weird how Jamal suddenly runs 8:29 having been stuck at 4:06-4:10 for 1500m all year!
                  14.41 looks awfully slow to me compared to the other times
                  i deserve extra credit

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                  • #24
                    Re: Monaco DL—w3000 (final event)

                    Originally posted by James Fields
                    "Rowbury now No. 3 American ever:

                    8:25.83 Mary Slaney (Athletics West) 9/07/85
                    8:31.08+ Regina Jacobs (Mizuno) 8/12/99
                    8:31.38 Shannon Rowbury (Nike) 7/22/10
                    ___________________________

                    Peter Larsson's "All-Time" best marks list (not curently showing 8:31.08 by Jacobs) has Rowbury number 2 USA best-ever at 3000m. I don't feel qualified to correct Mr. Larsson, but this forum has plenty of experts who seem unlikely to be so reluctant. A change may have already been made even as I write.
                    He probably ignores the mark because it's a 2M conversion and/or it was made in a mixed-sex race.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Monaco DL—w3000 (final event)

                      Considering that she never actually ran 8;31 for 3000 (and her history), perhaps the mark should be ignored by all.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Monaco DL—w3000 (final event)

                        Originally posted by nevetsllim
                        Originally posted by Peter Michaelson
                        IAAF Women's Outdoor Scoring Tables

                        1204 pts = 8:31.37 = 4:00.24 = 14:41.56
                        Sounds about right to me.

                        Weird how Jamal suddenly runs 8:29 having been stuck at 4:06-4:10 for 1500m all year!
                        There's nothing slightly "weird" about this. Ms Jamal may have not be in a speed session of her training cycle and may have had a heavily strength-endurance base she's been working off of. 4'06 is not indicative of her best, it was simply the reflection of how she adapted to racing following training and travelling.
                        Fire Impossible.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Monaco DL—w3000 (final event)

                          " Ms Jamal may have not be in a speed session of her training cycle and may have had a heavily strength-endurance base she's been working off of. 4'06 is not indicative of her best, it was simply the reflection of how she adapted to racing following training and travelling."

                          It's possible the same holds for Robury, who in the past couple of seasons seems to have focused on strength for a longer cycle in aiming for a late-season peak.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Monaco DL—w3000 (final event)

                            Some internet and reference book research explains the suggestion of an 8:31.08 time for 3000m by Regina Jacobs on 12 August 1999 -- in a "mixed" run during an "all-comers" meet at Los Gatos, California.

                            That mixed (men and women) run distance was two miles for which a 9:11.97 is reported for Jacobs. The conversion formula at page 61 of "The Little Red Book" could produce 8:31.08, suggesting Jacobs ran the distance between between 3k and 2miles in about 41 seconds -- which would not resemble a typical last half lap for Jacobs. However, a "Pacing Table" at pp. 62-63 of the same book suggests 69 seconds per lap for a 9:12 two -mile or 34.5 seconds for a half lap -- about 8:37.47 at 3000m.

                            But conversions are not true splits with timers at the intermediate point -- and a mixed-gender race in an All-Comers meet should not displace a great Diamond League performance.
                            By the way, Jacobs recognized performances of the late 1990s can be reviewed at
                            http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/biograp...848/index.html

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                            • #29
                              Re: Monaco DL—w3000 (final event)

                              Originally posted by James Fields
                              Some internet and reference book research explains the suggestion of an 8:31.08 time for 3000m by Regina Jacobs on 12 August 1999 -- in a "mixed" run during an "all-comers" meet at Los Gatos, California.

                              That mixed (men and women) run distance was two miles for which a 9:11.97 is reported for Jacobs. The conversion formula at page 61 of "The Little Red Book" could produce 8:31.08, suggesting Jacobs ran the distance between between 3k and 2miles in about 41 seconds -- which would not resemble a typical last half lap for Jacobs. However, a "Pacing Table" at pp. 62-63 of the same book suggests 69 seconds per lap for a 9:12 two -mile or 34.5 seconds for a half lap -- about 8:37.47 at 3000m.

                              But conversions are not true splits with timers at the intermediate point -- and a mixed-gender race in an All-Comers meet should not displace a great Diamond League performance.
                              By the way, Jacobs recognized performances of the late 1990s can be reviewed at
                              http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/biograp...848/index.html
                              1500/mile conversions are common and standing on the notion that you take the 1500 split of a mile to get the 1500 'mark' miss the point. TFN has long done conversions (see the book cited above) for event marks (especially common with high school marks made at the internationally devoid 1600m). The 3000/2-mile conversion is the same (8%, although some suggest a marginally smaller 7.9x%).

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                              • #30
                                Re: Monaco DL—w3000 (final event)

                                But if it's a conversion, it should be listed on rankings as "8:31.08e" (for estimate) instead of "8:31.08+" (for a split).

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