Ada Robinson (BYU) 6-4.75 ? Nope.

[dj]

Re: Ada Robinson (BYU) 6-4.75 (1.95) ??!!

The NCAA has the same rule.

I thought they had, but I'm not finding it in the current rule book.

If you thought they had, why did you think it was an illegal setting? I'm pretty sure IAAF rules allow any next height; it would be difficult (but not impossible!) to believe that HS and IAAF agree, but NCAA does not.

Meaning I originally thought the NCAA allowed any setting once the competition had been won, then I checked the rule book to be safe, found that the language is no longer in the book, and then I posted my note.

Here is the pertinent language in the NCAA rule book. 1997-Rule 6.3.3 (last graph, 2nd sentence):
"After all other competitors have failed, a competitor has the right to continue vaulting or jumping at a height the competitor chooses until elimination by three consecutive failures." When this language existed, the increments were set by the Games Committee/Jury of Appeals with recommended increments of 5cm (high jump, rule 6.4.2) and 15cm (pole vault, rule 6.5.1).

This language was deleted in the 1998 rule book, leaving only the language about the recommended increments, which remained the same through the 2005 rule book.

In the 2006 rule book, the recommendation remains at 5cm for the high jump (rule 6.5.2) and 15cm for the pole vault (rule 6.6.1). But the 2006 book adds the phrase "but never less than 3cm or as provided [in jump-offs]" for the high jump (6.6.1) and "but never less than 5cm or as provided [in jump-offs]."

[dj]

Re: Ada Robinson (BYU) 6-4.75 (1.95) ??!!

This came up last year in a PV competition at V Tech. NCAA wants a minimum height between increments until one athlete remains.

So her choice of 1cm was legal (since she had already won). T'anx.

I don't mind being wrong, but I haven't round this provision in the current rule book. Please cite the rule allowing the winner to choose any height.

[tandfman]

Re: Ada Robinson (BYU) 6-4.75 (1.95) ??!!

I don't mind being wrong, but I haven't round this provision in the current rule book. Please cite the rule allowing the winner to choose any height.

6.5.2, third sentence. (2011-2012 NCAA rule book>)

[26mi235]

Re: Ada Robinson (BYU) 6-4.75 ? Nope.

The NCAA Rules now allow different height choices for the winner:

SECTION 5. The High Jump
Legal Jump
ARTICLE 1. A legal high jump is one in which a competitor jumps from one
foot.
Starting Height/Increments
ARTICLE 2. Except for the combined-event, Rule 9-2.2, the starting height
of the crossbar and each successive height shall be determined by the
games committee. It is recommended that the crossbar be initially raised in
increments of 5 centimeters. The increment shall never be increased. Except
as provided in Rule 7-1.6c or as chosen by a single competitor who has won
the competition and decides to continue jumping, the crossbar shall not be
lowered after the competition has started and the increment shall never be
less than 3 centimeters. Attention should be paid to national standards and/or
records when determining starting heights and increments.


OLD Rule:

Starting Height/Increments
ARTICLE 2. The starting height of the crossbar and each successive height
shall be determined by the games committee and/or jury. It is recommended
that the crossbar be raised in increments of 5 centimeters, but never less than
3 centimeters or as provided in Rule 7-1.6.
Attention should be paid to national standards and/or records when
determining starting heights and increments.
The standards shall not be moved once the competition has been started. For
safety reasons, the landing area may be adjusted.
One face of each crossbar shall be marked so that the crossbar always is
placed with the same surface up.

This is the text on the list of rule changes:

Amend Rule 6-1.4 as follows:
… Except for the Combined Event, after all other competitors have failed, a competitor who has won the event ((has the right to continue vaulting or jumping at a height the competitor chooses until elimination by three consecutive failures. The competitor)) shall be allowed four minutes for the high jump and five minutes for the pole vault to initiate a trial. ** Edit chart: Consecutive Trials* *-within a height for individual, always for combined.

[and]

Amend Rule 6-5.2 and Rule 6-6.1 as follows:
Rule 6-5.2: The starting height of the crossbar and except for the Combined Event each successive height shall be determined by the games committee ((and/or jury)). It is recommended that the crossbar be initially raised in increments of 5 centimeters ((, but never)). The increment shall never be increased and shall never be less than 3 centimeters ((or)) except as provided in Rule 7-1.6 or as chosen by the single competitor who has won the competition and decides to continue jumping. …
Rule 6-6.1: The starting height of the crossbar and except for the Combined Event each successive height shall be determined by the games committee ((and/or jury)). It is recommended that the crossbar be initially raised in increments of 15 centimeters ((, but never)). The increment shall never be increased and shall never be less than 5 centimeters ((or as provided in Rule 7-1.6)) or as chosen by the single competitor who has won the competition and decides to continue vaulting. …

http://www.ustfccca.org/featured/ncaa-announces-rule-changes-for-2011-12-rule-book

[dj]

Re: Ada Robinson (BYU) 6-4.75 (1.95) ??!!

I don't mind being wrong, but I haven't round this provision in the current rule book. Please cite the rule allowing the winner to choose any height.

6.5.2, third sentence. (2011-2012 NCAA rule book>)

You're correct. New wording added this year: "or as chosen by the single competitor who has won the competition and decides to continue jumping"

Still waiting for my book to come in from NCAA.

[Per Andersen]

Re: Ada Robinson (BYU) 6-4.75 ? Nope.

I'm so glad I only have to concern myself with IAAF rules.

[gh]

Re: Ada Robinson (BYU) 6-4.75 ? Nope.

turns out Air Force was using some new technology to transmit field results and it glitched a few times. The vault marks were listed wrongly at one point also.

[Marlow]

Re: Ada Robinson (BYU) 6-4.75 ? Nope.

turns out Air Force was using some new technology to transmit field results and it glitched a few times. The vault marks were listed wrongly at one point also.

They forgot the most basic technology: common sense.
When we have a home meet and I have to utilize coaches (oh dear) to run some of the field events, I often get complete nonsense in the raw results. Takes some serious 'interpretation' to decipher what actually happened. :roll:

[dj]

Re: Ada Robinson (BYU) 6-4.75 ? Nope.

I once was handed a discus scorecard with (making up the exact distances):

Jones 50208, 50364, 40882, 50234, 40996, 50128.

[gh]

Re: Ada Robinson (BYU) 6-4.75 ? Nope.

dj may also recall a high jump incident at a Jenner meet I was announcing back in the '80s.

The officials put up a measure on the indicator board that was like 7-3, of course with no fractions, because very few places were ever equipped to do that.

We called down to the spotter (not a hardcore track guy) and asked what the exact measure was. He said "7-3 1/2" and we told him we didn't think tht could be right (figuring it was being measured metrically, and 7-3 1/2 doesn't exist).

He said, no, that was it.

So we said "what kind of measurement system are they using?"

He responded, "It's a yellow tape."

[lonewolf]

Re: Ada Robinson (BYU) 6-4.75 ? Nope.

I once was handed a discus scorecard with (making up the exact distances):

Jones 50208, 50364, 40882, 50234, 40996, 50128.

Was that metric or Imperial?

[polevaultpower]

Re: Ada Robinson (BYU) 6-4.75 ? Nope.

turns out Air Force was using some new technology to transmit field results and it glitched a few times. The vault marks were listed wrongly at one point also.

There are still some Texas A&M field pole vault results listed wrong in TFRRS, but right on the A&M website. I think the gimmicky stuff FlashResults has been messing around with is still buggy, I've seen multiple times where field event results have been listed as final before the event was done (and then sometimes not updated to reflect the final results).

[26mi235]

Re: Ada Robinson (BYU) 6-4.75 ? Nope.

Becca:

I have a question that you might know how to address. We have started using a FieldLynx system and for the vertical jumps it does not seem to be flexible enough. Specifically, you enter a height progression and it then provides the various heights for the competition. However, it seems to only allow a single increment. Say you start at 4.00m and select 15cms for the increment but want to switch to 10cm at 4.90. It does not seem to allow you to specify the latter switch, and yet this change in increment is not an unusual circumstance but the rule. The non-15cm increments have to be redone (and I think that if you redo the increment it re-calculates the earlier heights to inappropriate values, but I am not certain on this as I am not one working the device).

Is there a way around this problem?

[polevaultpower]

Re: Ada Robinson (BYU) 6-4.75 ? Nope.

Becca:

I have a question that you might know how to address. We have started using a FieldLynx system and for the vertical jumps it does not seem to be flexible enough. Specifically, you enter a height progression and it then provides the various heights for the competition. However, it seems to only allow a single increment. Say you start at 4.00m and select 15cms for the increment but want to switch to 10cm at 4.90. It does not seem to allow you to specify the latter switch, and yet this change in increment is not an unusual circumstance but the rule. The non-15cm increments have to be redone (and I think that if you redo the increment it re-calculates the earlier heights to inappropriate values, but I am not certain on this as I am not one working the device).

Is there a way around this problem?

Sorry, I've never used FieldLynx! I would suggest contacting the manufacturer. If there is no way around the problem, they need to be aware that it is a problem, because it is definitely common to gradually decrease the height progression as the bar is raised.