Euro Team Champs M vs W 'discrepancies'

[Gabriella]

The European Team Championships point breakdown by sex shows some interesting results as usual. The general pattern, as ever, is that western European nations score more points in the men’s events or their men and women’s scores are pretty similar. However, the eastern European nations tend to score more points on the women’s side. Norway is the exception to the rule with their women scoring 27 pts more than their men, which is unusual for Western European nations. Romania and Russia in particular had a very big differential:

Romania - women scored 53.5 pts more than their men
Russia - women scored 43 pts more than their men
Czech Republic - women scored 34 pts more than their men
Ukraine - women scored 26 pts more than their men
Belarus - women scored 24 pts more than their men

Turkey, not a former Eastern bloc country but one that has imported a lot of athletes recently and has improved its athletics 'system', also had a 22 pt differential between their women and men. This is interesting considering women's participation is much lower than mens.

Is this 'culture' or have times not changes that much since the fall of the Berlin Wall?


SL .... M ..... W ..... T
RUS 171..... 214..... 385
GER 165,5...166.....331,5
UKR 139.....165..... 304
GBR 141.....148.....289
FRA 159.....125..... 284
POL 153.....111.....264
ESP 139,5.. 106,5...246
ITA 118.....119..... 237
BLR 98......122.....220
CZE 88,5...122,5...211
POR 87,5....90.....177,5
SWE 90.......69.....159
1st
TUR 153,5...175,5...329
GRE 160.....147,5...307,5
NOR 131,5...158,5...290
ROM 114,5...168.....282,5
NED 143,5...134,5...278
HUN 159.....106.....265
SUI 120.....131,5...251,5
FIN 143.....105.....248
BEL 134,5...111.....245,5
IRL 102.....122,5...224,5
SLO 101.....99,5.....200,5
CRO 83,5... 94,5.....178
2nd
EST 115,5...102,5....218
BUL 101.....114,5...215,5
SRB 85,5...103....188,5
LTU 90.....95.....185
DEN 110,5...67.....177,5
AUT 77.....95.....172
LAT 81.....66.....147
SVK 58,5...76.....134,5

[mump boy]

Re: Euro Team Champs M vs W 'discrepancies'

I'm pretty sure this is the first time that UK women have scored more than the men, in the day sofhte european cup women were way down on the mens scores.

In the old style euro cup Uk women would have come 4th and the men 5th and very close to 7th :shock: how times change

[Powell]

Following that line of thinking, the twp most Western of the European countries are Hungary and Poland...

[Gabriella]

Re: Euro Team Champs M vs W 'discrepancies'

Geographically they virtually are, though the Czech Republic is further west than Hungary.

What are your thoughts on this, Powell? I think it's clear from the Sobelova fiasco that there is still organised doping within Russia, it's just debatable as to what level. If the reports are correct that there were look-alikes in the training group with forged passports then it has to be fairly high. The top Russian middle distance runners were almost wiped out with one doping incident.

If we break it down simplistically, if the participation of men and women is similar in each country, or if, as is the norm, more men participate than women, why would the performance of women far outweigh the mens? Are the most 'athletic' men going into other sports, but not the women? If so, why is this the case in the 'big' eastern European countries but not the Western ones? Or is it just an old fashioned case of doping programmes tend to see a greater increase in performance in women than men, because of women's natural physiological make up? Are the alleged old programmes from pre Berlin wall still in place, but perhaps at a lower level, rather than Government level?