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  • #31
    Re: bolt, blake in london 2012

    Originally posted by Giant Panda
    9.88 Ryan Bailey 7808 days
    9.82 Yohan Blake 7925 days
    9.76 Usain Bolt 7926 days
    9.72 Usain Bolt 7954 days
    9.69 Usain Bolt 8031 days

    Worth mentioning if Yohan Blake had been born six days later than he was his marks of 10.11 in 2007 and 9.93 in 2009 would be hugely superior to the world bests for youths and juniors. Obviously he ran those times at a younger age on the calender than some athletes whose performances are eligible. Meanwhile Bolt is the age group record holder at 200m from 15 to 18. It's a spurious argument to say Bailey ran faster than the Jamaicans at a younger age. Alonso Edward ran faster as a 19 year old than Bolt did too. So what. He still lost the race by six metres. This year Rakieem Salaam became the youngest American to break ten seconds. Is it even significant? Jeff Demps shares the world junior record at 10.01. By the logic of this thread he ought to be a threat to Blake. Is he?

    Youngest Americans to 10.00

    10.00 Travis Padgett 19 years 200 days
    10.00 Carl Lewis 19 years 320 days

    9.97 Tim Montgomery 19 years 113 days (not ratified)

    9.97 Carl Lewis 21 years 317 days
    9.97 Justin Gatlin 21 years 186 days
    9.97 Mookie Salaam 21 years 66 days
    9.96 Travis Padgett 21 years 149 days
    9.95 Ryan Bailey 21 years 138 days
    9.93 Walter Dix 21 years 128 days
    9.88 Ryan Bailey 21 years 138 days

    The marks by Carl Lewis in 1981 and 1983 are clearly superior to times run two or three decades afterwards.
    Remember the name Marvin Bracey for next year. He has the potential to surpass all of these sprinters as a H.S. senior. Can't wait to see his effort.

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    • #32
      Re: bolt, blake in london 2012

      Originally posted by enpsalmx
      Remember the name Marvin Bracey for next year. He has the potential to surpass all of these sprinters as a H.S. senior. Can't wait to see his effort.
      Will his sprint progression be slower than it might otherwise be due to his primary focus (I think) on football (American)? I am asking because I think others have both the information and background to assess this.

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      • #33
        Re: bolt, blake in london 2012

        Originally posted by 26mi235
        Originally posted by enpsalmx
        Remember the name Marvin Bracey for next year. He has the potential to surpass all of these sprinters as a H.S. senior. Can't wait to see his effort.
        Will his sprint progression be slower than it might otherwise be due to his primary focus (I think) on football (American)? I am asking because I think others have both the information and background to assess this.
        Bracy has his eye on the T&F prize. His talent is VERY similar to Dix's. I see sub-10 in 2013-14. Could/should be a factor on the US scene in 2015-16. [Barring injury, of course]

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        • #34
          Re: bolt, blake in london 2012

          Originally posted by Avante
          Ryan Bailey, the mystery man. A 9.88 guy, a world ranking in the 200m. If he's healthy and still wanting it in 2012....hmmm?
          Who does Ryan Bailey run for,and what country ? ops:
          "Sprintin' ain't easy,baby !

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          • #35
            Re: bolt, blake in london 2012

            Marvin Bracy ran 10.05 (2.2) this season which is extremely fast for a 17 year old. Prezel Hardy ran 10.08 (2.2) when he was 17 a couple of years ago. Outside America there's Jazeel Murphy who ran 10.27 (-0.2) early season before being injured. I noticed a former world record holder's son is competing well in the high school ranks, Cameron Burrell.

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            • #36
              Re: bolt, blake in london 2012

              Bracy is a great football player. Not a track guy who can kinda play the game. He's a legit football.."star". Which means track and field...

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              • #37
                Re: bolt, blake in london 2012

                Originally posted by fourjz
                Originally posted by Avante
                Ryan Bailey, the mystery man. A 9.88 guy, a world ranking in the 200m. If he's healthy and still wanting it in 2012....hmmm?
                Who does Ryan Bailey run for,and what country ? ops:
                He ran for some JC, he's an American. Big guy, coming off an injury.

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                • #38
                  Re: bolt, blake in london 2012

                  Times and form of an athlete don't necessarily transfer from year to year guys..come 2012 the slate is wiped clean..Yohan Blake may never run that time ever again..Xavier Carter, Wallace Spearman springs to mind

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                  • #39
                    Re: bolt, blake in london 2012

                    Originally posted by reggaemon
                    Times and form of an athlete don't necessarily transfer from year to year guys..come 2012 the slate is wiped clean..Yohan Blake may never run that time ever again..Xavier Carter, Wallace Spearman springs to mind
                    You are right. He will run even faster, I guarantee u dat. Next yr. is an Olympic yr. so athletes will be at their optimal best. Barring injury Bolt and Blake will be in supreme form come London. I will not be surprise when both men break the current 200m world record (Bolt will break the 100m also). Excited to know that Glen Mills will not be playing with them next yr. He said Bolt's training will be back to 08 and 09 levels!!! Would not be shocked if mills got Bolt into 9.48-9.52 form for London and Blake 9.68-9.72 form. I bet u probably said the same abt Bolt in 08 when he was in 9.5 shape but ran 9.69. Just enjoy the sport my friend. U can't say Blake may never run this time again without proof especially when he is only 21 yrs old. If u say Tyson Gay may never run 9.69 again, that is more logical because he will be 30 and coming off hip surgery.

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                    • #40
                      Re: bolt, blake in london 2012

                      You are right. He will run even faster, I guarantee u dat. Next yr. is an Olympic yr. so athletes will be at their optimal best. Barring injury Bolt and Blake will be in supreme form come London. I will not be surprise when both men break the current 200m world record (Bolt will break the 100m also). Excited to know that Glen Mills will not be playing with them next yr. He said Bolt's training will be back to 08 and 09 levels!!! Would not be shocked if mills got Bolt into 9.48-9.52 form for London and Blake 9.68-9.72 form. I bet u probably said the same abt Bolt in 08 when he was in 9.5 shape but ran 9.69. Just enjoy the sport my friend. U can't say Blake may never run this time again without proof especially when he is only 21 yrs old. If u say Tyson Gay may never run 9.69 again, that is more logical because he will be 30 and coming off hip surgery.chuku69

                      Why have you chosen to ignore what i said about Xavier Carter and Wallace Spearmon coming nowhere near those times when they were quite young with an Olympic games or WC shortly after those runs..what I am saying, Bolt and Blake may never get close to their PB ever again..If they do,great but don't think that what an athlete does in one season necessarily transfer to the following year

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                      • #41
                        Re: bolt, blake in london 2012

                        Originally posted by reggaemon
                        You are right. He will run even faster, I guarantee u dat. Next yr. is an Olympic yr. so athletes will be at their optimal best. Barring injury Bolt and Blake will be in supreme form come London. I will not be surprise when both men break the current 200m world record (Bolt will break the 100m also). Excited to know that Glen Mills will not be playing with them next yr. He said Bolt's training will be back to 08 and 09 levels!!! Would not be shocked if mills got Bolt into 9.48-9.52 form for London and Blake 9.68-9.72 form. I bet u probably said the same abt Bolt in 08 when he was in 9.5 shape but ran 9.69. Just enjoy the sport my friend. U can't say Blake may never run this time again without proof especially when he is only 21 yrs old. If u say Tyson Gay may never run 9.69 again, that is more logical because he will be 30 and coming off hip surgery.chuku69

                        Why have you chosen to ignore what i said about Xavier Carter and Wallace Spearmon coming nowhere near those times when they were quite young with an Olympic games or WC shortly after those runs..what I am saying, Bolt and Blake may never get close to their PB ever again..If they do,great but don't think that what an athlete does in one season necessarily transfer to the following year
                        Xman yes, Spearman no.
                        Your right that 1 season shouldn't dictate the rest of the athletes career, but Blake has shown steady improvement since 2009. I think if he runs more 9.8's and 19.6's it would be a pretty solid confirmation that he is no fluke. He doesn't really have to PR left and right. I think consistency would is more important than him just running another fast time and calling it a day.

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                        • #42
                          Re: bolt, blake in london 2012

                          Well we don't need to talk until London next yr because i don't want the garbage talk again next yr. when both athletes not running all out and everyone saying see he is not in 9.5 shape or Blake won't run 19.2 again. Let's wait till London. Everything will be revealed then. U guys have to realize by now that Glen Mills won't let Bolt or Blake peak until Olympics. Even their jamaica trials peak will not be their real peak because that is to just qualify. Their supreme peak will be london. Remember i told u so again!

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                          • #43
                            Re: bolt, blake in london 2012

                            History tells us there is probably a likelihood of around 60% - 70% that Blake will ever run faster over 200. He'll be 22 next year. The following were all 21 or younger when they set there pbs:

                            Lewis, DeLoach, Carter, Spearmon, Obikwelu, Capel, Quarrie, Gatlin, Williams.

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                            • #44
                              Re: bolt, blake in london 2012

                              Originally posted by John G
                              History tells us there is probably a likelihood of around 60% - 70% that Blake will ever run faster over 200. He'll be 22 next year. The following were all 21 or younger when they set there pbs:

                              Lewis, DeLoach, Carter, Spearmon, Obikwelu, Capel, Quarrie, Gatlin, Williams.
                              Good point.

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                              • #45
                                Re: bolt, blake in london 2012

                                So what abt Bolt? He ran 19.30 @ 21. Ran faster and is going to run faster next yr. Oh wait u are gonna say he is the exception right? Special athlete right? How do we know dat Blake also is not a special athlete? U shall find out next yr. If he keeps healthy, he will for sure go below 19.26 with the guidance of one of the greatest sprint coaches of all time Glen Mills.

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