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  • bruce3404
    Senior Member
    • May 2008
    • 2280
    • Section 221, Row M, on the aisle

    #16
    Re: NCAA Indoor entry lists posted

    I just don't understand the NCAA not filling all lanes (well, twice) for the men's DMR. They invited 12 women's teams, but only 11 men's teams. The odd team out was my Ducks, only .2 behind team #11 (Ohio State). While a 12th seed is no cause to hoist victory flags, there are a lot of Duck supporters in Eastern OR and ID who would have liked to see our guys race.

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    • Bruce Kritzler
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2005
      • 4969

      #17
      Re: NCAA Indoor entry lists posted

      Men's DMR?
      12x4=48 athletes, too many for one event.
      11 teams on a 6 lane track is enough.

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      • huntinwr
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2009
        • 586
        • Vancouver, Washington

        #18
        Re: NCAA Indoor entry lists posted

        Originally posted by Marlow
        Key men's match-ups I'm looking forward to:

        60
        1 Jeff Demps JR Florida 6.54D
        2 Harry Adams SO Auburn 6.55D
        3 Kemar Hyman SR Florida State 6.56D
        4 D'Angelo Cherry SR Mississippi St. 6.60D

        200
        1 Ameer Webb JR Texas A&M 20.62D
        2 Marquis Holston JR Norfolk State 20.68D
        3 Maurice Mitchell SR Florida State 20.70D

        400
        1 Torrin Lawrence SR Georgia 46.01D
        2 Tavaris Tate JR Mississippi St. 46.10D
        3 Tony McQuay JR Florida 46.11D

        You overlooked Mike Berry of Oregon 46.16 and a gold-medal winner from Daegu 4x400!
        1 Mile
        1 Miles Batty SR BYU 3:54.54D
        2 David McCarthy SR Providence 3:55.75D
        3 Erik van Ingen SR Binghamton 3:56.37D
        4 Chris O'Hare JR Tulsa 3:56.63D
        5 Cory Leslie JR Ohio State 3:56.85D

        60 Hurdles
        1 Jarret Eaton SR Syracuse 7.49D
        2 Andrew Riley SR Illinois 7.53D

        High Jump
        1 Erik Kynard JR Kansas State 2.31mD
        2 James Harris SO Mississippi St. 2.27mD
        3 Bryan McBride SO Arizona State 2.26mD
        4 Ricky Robertson JR Mississippi 2.25mD

        Pole Vault
        1 Andrew Irwin FR Arkansas 5.53mD
        2 Cale Simmons JR Air Force 5.52mD
        3 Logan Cunningham JR Texas State 5.51mD
        4 Jack Whitt JR Oral Roberts 5.51mD
        5 Victor Weirich SO BYU 5.50mD
        6 Michael Woepse FR UCLA 5.50mD

        Long Jump
        1 Damar Forbes JR LSU 8.12mD
        2 Marquise Goodwin JR Texas 8.10mD

        Heptathlon
        1 Gunnar Nixon FR Arkansas 6022D
        2 Gray Horn SR Florida 5971D

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        • bruce3404
          Senior Member
          • May 2008
          • 2280
          • Section 221, Row M, on the aisle

          #19
          Re: NCAA Indoor entry lists posted

          Originally posted by Bruce Kritzler
          Men's DMR?
          12x4=48 athletes, too many for one event.
          11 teams on a 6 lane track is enough.
          But it's OK for women to have 12 teams? All I'm asking for is a little consistency.

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          • ATK
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2009
            • 14659

            #20
            Re: NCAA Indoor entry lists posted

            Im also curious as to why more women get more accepted to compete. This is across almost every event, in all three divisions.

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            • bruce3404
              Senior Member
              • May 2008
              • 2280
              • Section 221, Row M, on the aisle

              #21
              Re: NCAA Indoor entry lists posted

              Heat sheets are now available: http://www.rtspt.com/ncaa/d1indoor12/men_start.pdf

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              • gm
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2005
                • 14013

                #22
                Re: NCAA Indoor entry lists posted

                It's all to do with reaching a magic number of total competitors for each gender.

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                • bruce3404
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2008
                  • 2280
                  • Section 221, Row M, on the aisle

                  #23
                  Re: NCAA Indoor entry lists posted

                  Since no one else has doped out the meet, as a Duck fan, I looked at the women's side. This is very scientific and doesn't take injury or past championship performance into account. In other words, it's strictly based on best times/marks for this season. Here's what I came up with for team scores:
                  Oregon (46)
                  LSU (39)
                  Clemson (38)
                  Arkansas (34)
                  Florida (25)

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                  • 26mi235
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 24687
                    • Madison, WI

                    #24
                    Re: NCAA Indoor entry lists posted

                    Originally posted by bruce3404
                    Originally posted by Bruce Kritzler
                    Men's DMR?
                    12x4=48 athletes, too many for one event.
                    11 teams on a 6 lane track is enough.
                    But it's OK for women to have 12 teams? All I'm asking for is a little consistency.
                    If those athletes were already in the meet, it does not add any to the total.

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                    • 26mi235
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 24687
                      • Madison, WI

                      #25
                      Re: NCAA Indoor entry lists posted

                      Originally posted by Marlow
                      Key men's match-ups I'm looking forward to:
                      Heptathlon
                      1 Gunnar Nixon FR Arkansas 6022D
                      2 Gray Horn SR Florida 5971D
                      Decent chance neither of these guys wins; Cato had 5939, then at Big Tens ran the open 60h heat in 7.88 and the LJ of 7.64 which would have given him well over 6000 and those efforts were after the first four events of the Hept. He was a bit tired the next day and did not have any pressure so he eased off to 5909 (and would still have been well above 6000 I think if he had his other efforts). It is a long shot, but he could score 6200 (and he is only a (RS) SO). It is a pretty good Hept, one of the best events of the Championship and unlike other events it plays out over an extended period with different relative strengths. Cato is currently more of a natural Hept guy then a decathlete, so he had an advantage over Barrefors at Big Tens and it was not ever close. As for the other two, those marks were in the first real attempt of the season and could well be improved on by a fair amount (especially with Nixon only a frosh, although he is not the typical multi-event frosh just learning the events. Cato drifted to track away from some pretty good high school 'standard' sports.

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                      • KevinM
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 2912
                        • Brooklyn, NY

                        #26
                        Re: NCAA Indoor entry lists posted

                        Men's team scores, based only on the descending order list. Lots of very tightly-packed fields, so this is obviously a very rough starting point. I'll try to add up each contender's total scoring opportunities a bit later:

                        Florida: 32
                        Arkansas: 26
                        Texas: 23
                        LSU/VaTech: 21
                        BYU: 13.5
                        Arizona State: 13
                        Depaul (!), UVa, KSU: 10

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                        • gh
                          Administrator
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 69718
                          • west of Westeros

                          #27
                          Re: NCAA Indoor entry lists posted

                          Originally posted by 26mi235
                          ....

                          Decent chance neither of these guys wins; Cato had 5939,...
                          And remember, he has the Green Hornet in his corner!

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                          • KevinM
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 2912
                            • Brooklyn, NY

                            #28
                            Re: NCAA Indoor entry lists posted

                            Originally posted by ATK
                            Im also curious as to why more women get more accepted to compete. This is across almost every event, in all three divisions.
                            Unless things have changed very recently, there are the same number of total participants for men and women in the meet. Field sizes will vary depending on the number of doublers. For example:

                            The minimum field size for both genders is 14 in individual events and 10 for relays. If 8 of the top women in the 200 are also in the 60, 400, 4x4, DMR, etc. as compared to only 4 of the men, this frees up the committee to add 4 more women than men to other events. Once the meet is full, the committee can add additional athletes to specific events, provided that those athletes are already in the meet in another event, and provided they don't create issues with regard to heats/flights.

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                            • KevinM
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 2912
                              • Brooklyn, NY

                              #29
                              Re: NCAA Indoor entry lists posted

                              Originally posted by bruce3404
                              Originally posted by Bruce Kritzler
                              Men's DMR?
                              12x4=48 athletes, too many for one event.
                              11 teams on a 6 lane track is enough.
                              But it's OK for women to have 12 teams? All I'm asking for is a little consistency.
                              As mentioned above, it's not personal. The Duck men underachieved this indoor all by themselves .

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                              • bruce3404
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2008
                                • 2280
                                • Section 221, Row M, on the aisle

                                #30
                                Re: NCAA Indoor entry lists posted

                                Originally posted by KevinM

                                As mentioned above, it's not personal. The Duck men underachieved this indoor all by themselves .
                                Agreed, and losing Centro and Verzbicas certainly changed the game this season. It all came down to the recent meet at Notre Dame where Ohio State edged OR by .2 and wound up the #11 team.

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