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    Dana Ellis tied and them broke the Can pole vault record at the Tom Tellez and then the Modesto relays while winning both events. She also vaulted higher than the COC standard for the event with both jumps(she needs 2 of those vaults and a top 4 finish at nats). The standard is 4.40 which is probably higher than the Olympic A standard(haven't looked). She's on her way to Athens barring a disaster at nats(and even that she could appeal), right? High fives all round. Not so fast. AC and the IAAF will likely both ratify the marks but they may not be good enough for the COC. All has to do with pre approved meets and the Modesto runway. From what I can see, the COC is a bureaucracy that is out of control and, unfortunately, some athletes(she isn't the only one) are getting the brunt of it.

  • #2
    Re: You gotta love the COC

    plus ça change...

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    • #3
      Re: You gotta love the COC

      The Olympic A standard is also 4.40.

      You can see all of the Olympic standards here:
      http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/toplists ... s_out.htmx

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      • #4
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        It's hard to believe that someone (presumably a paid someone) actually took the time to come up with the policy at http://www.athleticscanada.com/article.asp?id=2311

        I realize that it is unlikely anyone perusing this board will have any influence on anything, but it makes me feel good to highlight some of the apparent idiocy.

        "The following principles will be used for the approval of category 3 competitions:

        Competitions that have a history of international calibre fields as defined by a minimum of two athletes performing at the Olympic/ IAAF A or B levels in any given event"

        Silly question, but if an athlete performs at A levels, aren't they also by default performing at B levels?

        "Approval preference will be given to competitions that offer a complete track and field schedule, however single event competitions may also be accepted. "

        So, only meets that offer every event are eligible, except for meets that offer one event. What if all but two events are offered (like, say, the Oly Trials that don't include the 10,000)?

        "In all cases, there must be compelling evidence that the competition has consistently, over a multi-year (3+ years) period, attracted top 12 world ranked competitors and or those who have performed at the Olympic or IAAF A or B levels "

        Which is fundamentally different than the first listed criteria (with respect to A and B level performances) how?

        "All approved events must approximate conditions encountered at a major games including depth and size of field, suitable technical management and IAAF approved venue, spectators etc… "

        Again, I guess when it domes to depth and size of field and spectators, that rules out Canadian Trials in most events?

        "Only performances achieved in Category 1, 2, and 3 competitions on the official Athletics Canada approved list will be accepted for the purpose of achieving the Athens Olympic “A” standards. "

        Isn't that this whole list of criteria is for in the first place? Besides, there is no real explanation as to why this policy needed to be created.

        "An “A” standard performance achieved in a competition that is not listed will not be accepted for the purpose of selection to the Olympic team (this includes for the purpose of making an appeal) "

        If we didn't see it, it never happened.

        "Normally, “B” standards should also be achieved in these same approved events, however “B” standards may be achieved in any IAAF / Athletics Canada sanctioned and fixed competition that is published on an official calendar. "

        If exceptions can be made for lesser (B level) performances, why not for A as well?

        "Athletes in speed power events may only compete in a maximum of eight (8) competitions on the list of Category 1, 2, and 3 competitions combined (for disciplines where two (2) “A” standards are required) "

        And what exactly would the punishments be if someone competed in 9 competitions? What if number 9 happened to be the Oly Trials?

        "Athletes in endurance and combined events disciplines (800m, 1500m, 5000m, 10,000m, 3000m s/c, Marathon, Combined Events, 20kRW, 50krw) may only compete in a maximum of four (4) competitions on the list of Category 1, 2, and 3 competitions, combined. (for disciplines where only one (1) “A” standard is required) "

        Same comment for this one, I guess.

        "Athletes may submit additional competitions for approval as long as the request is made at least two weeks prior to the competition. Athletes may make the request even if he or she has not been confirmed in the competition. "

        So this whole policy can be superceded, provided proper paperwork is provided?

        "The list of approved competitions per event discipline is applicable to all athletes within that same event area. Therefore, one competition approved for one athlete will then be eligible to all athletes within the same event. "

        That's thoughtful of them.

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        • #5
          Re: You gotta love the COC

          >It's hard to believe that someone (presumably a paid someone) actually took the
          >time to come up with the policy at
          >http://www.athleticscanada.com/article.asp?id=2311

          I'm sure if we were to scan the Can synch swimming and other like boards, we would find the same stupidity. What these bureaucrats don't seem to understand is that it is so complicated, an athlete has to basically plan two seasons in advance. How does one do that when:

          1. we are dealing with a bit of a moving target because those rules were not announced prior to 1/1/03
          2. the calibre of the meets you plan to attend could change over two seasons

          Modifications are STILL being made although they are smart enough not to date them.

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          • #6
            Re: You gotta love the COC

            Interesting how with all the legalese to qualify for the Olympic Games themselves, all the information Athletics Canada has released so far with respect to the Olympic Trials (such as qualification standards) less than two months in the future, can be found by either looking at the following webpage http://www.athleticscanada.com/article.asp?id=2169 or by assimilating everything contained between these angled brackets < >.

            Canada: we may be head and shoulders above the US when it comes to international track on TV, just don't expect us to easily qualify athletes to be there.

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            • #7
              Re: You gotta love the COC

              Does the USA use the IAAF standards for Olympic Games qualification? According to the COC's CEO,

              “Most leading countries don't use [the international standards]. They’re the lowest possible performance allowed into the Olympics, and were designed to allow as many countries as possible to participate. It was not intended for the best countries, with access to training and coaching and a good standard of living, to have these low performance standards.”

              Hi Asterix!

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              • #8
                Re: You gotta love the COC

                >Does the USA use the IAAF standards for Olympic Games qualification? According
                >to the COC's CEO,

                “Most leading countries don't use [the
                >international standards]. They’re the lowest possible performance
                >allowed into the Olympics, and were designed to allow as many countries as
                >possible to participate. It was not intended for the best countries, with
                >access to training and coaching and a good standard of living, to have these
                >low performance standards.”

                That is a completely separate issue. Lower the standards and you would still have all of the problems discussed above.

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                • #9
                  Re: You gotta love the COC

                  I'd argue that the issue of confusing COC standards isn't actually separate from the issue of their high standards. They're both examples of higher-ups in our sporting system making things more difficult for athletes, and with questionable benefit.

                  In Canada, you'll often see the issues of OG standards and where you can achieve them raised at the same time.

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                  • #10
                    Re: You gotta love the COC

                    Which, if the CEO had thought about it, explains why there is an 'A' and a 'B' standard for the Olympics. 'B' is obviously the "lowest possible performance...to allow as many countries as possible...".

                    The "best countries", who have greater depth of performances, have to meet 'A' standards if they want to send more than a single athlete in that event.

                    Looks like we're heading for a repeat of the LetsRun thread http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read. ... 910&page=0

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                    • #11
                      Re: You gotta love the COC

                      Dana Ellis broke the Can record yet again at the Home Depot meet while winning at 4.43. It's too complicated to figure out whether she now has the marks to go to Athens. She may need one more. She definitely has a hurdle to climb still at nats-a top 4 finish. Not much of a hurdle but disasters do happen which, presumably, would be appealable.

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