US Men's 800-10,000 picture - Updated post-Occidental

[doug5321]

Re: US Men's 1500-10,000 picture

hengelo it is. http://news.runnersworld.com/2012/05/01 ... decisions/

[Bruce Kritzler]

Re: US Men's 1500-10,000 picture

Entering races, and running them, are two different things.

[TN1965]

Re: US Men's 1500-10,000 picture

I don't think Ritz should even think about the double. He should focus on 10000m. For that matter, I think Tegenkamp should seriously consider 10000m. Lagat is almost a lock for 5000m, and right now Lomong and Rupp are likely to take the other two spots.

Rupp is as big a favorite for 10000m as Lagat is in 5000m, but I think the other two spots are wide open.

[KevinM]

Re: US Men's 1500-10,000 picture

Post Occidental - Steeple now worth adding:

800m (1:45.60)
Symmonds
Robinson
Jock
Andrews
Primm
Mulder
Greer
Loxom
Martin
Torrence
Manzano
Jones

1500m (3:35.50)
Lagat
Lomong
Manzano
Wheating
Centrowitz
Brown
Andrews
Torrence
Rupp

5000m (13:20.00)
Lagat
Rupp
Tegenkamp
Bumbalough
Lomong
Torrence
Derrick
Ritzenhein

10,000m (27:45.00)
Rupp
Curtis
Nelson
Tegenkamp
Derrick
Vaughn
True
Estrada*

Steeplechase (8:23.10)
Cabral
Alcorn
Jager
Nelson
Bruce
Huling

[JumboElliott]

Re: US Men's 800-10,000 picture

We'll see this weekend what kind of form Bobby Curtis is in a distance below half marathon.

[26mi235]

Re: US Men's 1500-10,000 picture

Estrada said himself that he is not eligible to run the US Trials and has decided to represent Mexico in London.

But he was wrong; he was reading from superseded rules. He was eligible but opted for Mexico under the mistaken reading. So, now he is set for Mexico.

[KevinM]

Re: US Men's 1500-10,000 picture

meant to post this here, rather than edit previous post.

Post Occidental - Steeple now worth adding:

800m (1:45.60)
Symmonds
Robinson
Jock
Andrews
Primm
Mulder
Greer
Loxom
Martin
Torrence
Manzano
Jones

1500m (3:35.50)
Lagat
Lomong
Manzano
Wheating
Centrowitz
Brown
Andrews
Torrence
Rupp

5000m (13:20.00)
Lagat
Rupp
Tegenkamp
Bumbalough
Lomong
Torrence
Derrick
Ritzenhein

10,000m (27:45.00)
Rupp
Curtis
Nelson
Tegenkamp
Derrick
Vaughn
True
Estrada*

Steeplechase (8:23.10)
Cabral
Alcorn
Jager
Nelson
Bruce
Huling

[26mi235]

Re: US Men's 800-10,000 picture - Updated post-Occidental

Apparently, Ritz's race (and Rupp/Mo) was run in 'flats', not spikes.

[JumboElliott]

Re: US Men's 800-10,000 picture - Updated post-Occidental

He also had two of the best distance runners in the world as his own personal pacemakers. So the fact that he was in flats is largely irrelevant.

[26mi235]

Re: US Men's 800-10,000 picture - Updated post-Occidental

He also had two of the best distance runners in the world as his own personal pacemakers. So the face that he was in flats is largely irrelevant.

Really? If he were in a race following two other athletes in general, which he could have been doing as the group in front were running cooperatively, why would it have been any different, really?

He di not want to put extreme effort into this race because he is racing Hengelo next week.

[Bruce Kritzler]

Re: US Men's 800-10,000 picture - Updated post-Occidental

Really? If he were in a race following two other athletes in general, which he could have been doing as the group in front were running cooperatively, why would it have been any different, really? [/quote]

Because he knew what to expect from the pacers. Even pace, negative split running, instead of whatever the lead pack decided to do.

[KevinM]

Re: US Men's 800-10,000 picture - Updated post-Occidental

I'm don't know that either the flats or the pacing are really noteworthy here. Spikes don't put him at 13:05 magically, and less pacing doesn't put him at 13:25. Hengelo may not even tell us much more - the key for Ritzenhein, as always, is to get to the trials and then to London healthy. With very few exceptions, even collegiately, that's been a struggle. I know the money is greater, but I do think it's a shame so much time was spent on the marathon.

[JumboElliott]

Re: US Men's 800-10,000 picture - Updated post-Occidental

Exactly. He knew the race plan of Mo, and that's what's most important. He didn't have to wait to see what Chelanga, or Barrios or Blincoe was going to do.

[TN1965]

Re: US Men's 800-10,000 picture - Updated post-Occidental

After the race, Ritz admitted that he did not pay any attention to racing, or even the pace. He just looked at the backs of Mo and Galen and followed them. Those two were constantly looking back at Ritz to make sure that he was following at the right pace.

How many runners could have luxury like that?

[26mi235]

Re: US Men's 800-10,000 picture - Updated post-Occidental

Any time you are time-trialing to get a time you have that kind of luxury if you know the runners and now that they are not flagging. What else do you expect him to say of his training mates doing a credible job?