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  • #31
    Re: A UCLA/World Superstar is Born!!

    "he may have a high split - I can't see being 5'9 as a huge deterrent to sub-48."
    Good point. But let's have a look to the all time list (top 20):
    Kevin Young 6'4
    Ed Moses 6'1 1/2
    Bryan Bronson 6'0
    Samuel Matete 6'0
    Andre Phillips 6'2
    Amadou Dia Ba 6'2 3/4
    Felix Sanchez 5'10
    Stephane Diagana 6 1/2
    Danny Harris 6'0
    Harald Schmid 6'1 3/4
    Angelo Taylor 6'2
    Hadi Al Somaily 6'3 1/4
    Derrick Adkins 6'2
    Fabrizio Mori 5'8 3/4
    James Carter 6'1 1/4
    Winthrop Graham 5'10
    David Patrick 6'0
    Llewellyn Herbert 6.0
    John Akii-Bua 6'2
    Kriss Akabusi 6 3/4
    The taller: WR holder Young
    Ther shorter: Mori (the only one sub 5'9)
    Average: 6 3/4
    So, from a statistical point of view, I think that Bershawn Jackson (5'8) and Brandon Johnson (5'9) have a smaller chance of improvement than
    Kerron Clement (6'2).

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    • #32
      Re: A UCLA/World Superstar is Born!!

      Excellent research - Even with a high split, he's obviously got the odds stacked against him. Good luck to him - it's not impossible.

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      • #33
        Re: A UCLA/World Superstar is Born!!

        Johnson wasn't the only one who had a notable run in the 400H: the first 6 guys all PRed and the 7th-placer had PRed in the heats. Here's the improvements (only 90% sure on some of the PRs for slower guys going in):

        Johnson 51.15-48.85 (2.30)
        Williams 51.20-50.22 (0.98)
        Wright 51.19-50.35 (0.84)
        Holliday 50.73-50.52 (0.21)
        Mitchum 51.47-51.27 (0.20)
        Leavitt 53.74-51.48 (2.26)
        Williams 52.94-51.89h (1.05)

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        • #34
          Re: World Best list 2004

          In his world record at the '92 Olympics Kevin Young ran 13 strides between hurdles 1 & 2, then 12 strides between 2, 3 & 4, before staying at the 13 stride pattern for the rest of the hurdles. He hit the last hurdle quite hard, but it didn't seem to slow him down.

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          • #35
            Re: World Best list 2004

            As further evidence of what Tucson was doing over the 1-lap distance, look at the men's 400, where places 1-2-3-4-5, 8 got PRs and 6 had a PR in the heats.

            In the women's 400, PRs went to 2-4-5 and Monique Henderson got the second-fastest time of her career.

            Women's 400H was strangely slow (bad gusts of wind?), but Sheena Johnson got a world-leading mark in the heats.

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            • #36
              Re: World Best list 2004

              so why hasn't Realist called it a short track yet?

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              • #37
                Re: World Best list 2004

                If it were a short track then the 800 results would show it. But in essence, it is a short track for sprint events. Or you can view it that everything is wind-aided, the 400 all the way around. Either way you want to take it, it's just not the same as running at sea level.

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                • #38
                  Re: World Best list 2004

                  >If it were a short track then the 800 results would show it.<

                  Yes, but what if the problem is that the 400m oval is correctly measured, but the 400m staggers are off?

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                  • #39
                    Re: World Best list 2004

                    Then all the 400 hurdlers crash into the first barrier. Next question? :-)

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                    • #40
                      A UCLA/World Superstar Is Born

                      Here's my chart from above on the PRs set in Tucson (and amount of improvement), with a new column added for what they did at Regionals (sea-level):

                      Johnson 51.15-48.85 (2.30)... 49.64 (+0.79)
                      Williams 51.20-50.22 (0.98)...50.97 (+0.75)
                      Wright 51.19-50.35 (0.84).....51.42 (+1.07)
                      Holliday 50.73-50.52 (0.21)..51.02 (+0.50)

                      next 3 didn't make final
                      Mitchum 51.47-51.27 (0.20) (dnc)
                      Leavitt 53.74-51.48 (2.26).... 52.72 (+1.24)
                      Williams 52.94-51.89h (1.05).52.54 (+0.65)

                      I'd say a pretty good emprical case can be made that Tucson's altitude aided the event by three-quarters of a second to a second.

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                      • #41
                        Re: World Best list 2004

                        >>If it were a short track then the 800 results would show it.<

                        Yes, but what
                        >if the problem is that the 400m oval is correctly measured, but the 400m
                        >staggers are off?>>

                        It is bizarre that the one lap events were littered with PR's yet the other sprints weren't.

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                        • #42
                          Re: World Best list 2004

                          >>>If it were a short track then the 800 results would show it.<

                          Yes, but
                          >what
                          >if the problem is that the 400m oval is correctly measured, but the
                          >400m
                          >staggers are off?>>

                          It is bizarre that the one lap events were
                          >littered with PR's yet the other sprints weren't.

                          The top 3 in the 200m also recorded PRs in the final. Or was it the top 3 in the 195m that recorded 200m PRs?

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                          • #43
                            Re: A UCLA/World Superstar Is Born

                            ^Here's my chart from above on the PRs set in ^Tucson (and amount of improvement), with a new ^column added for what they did at Regionals (sea-level):

                            ^Johnson 51.15-48.85 (2.30)... 49.64 (+0.79)
                            ^Williams 51.20-50.22 (0.98)...50.97 (+0.75)
                            ^Wright 51.19-50.35 (0.84).....51.42 (+1.07)
                            ^Holliday 50.73-50.52 (0.21)..51.02 (+0.50)

                            ^next 3 didn't make final
                            ^Mitchum 51.47-51.27 (0.20) (dnc)
                            ^Leavitt 53.74-51.48 (2.26).... 52.72 (+1.24)
                            ^Williams 52.94-51.89h (1.05).52.54 (+0.65)

                            ^I'd say a pretty good emprical case can be made ^that Tucson's altitude aided the event by three-^quarters of a second to a second.

                            Ok first of all at the pac-10's kids are raceing for the title that they have been dreaming about for their entire lives, at regionals they are raceing for nothing seeing is that the top athletes are safe from the descending order...emotion is the difference in the race, not air...and as far as pr's go
                            jonathan williams ran 50.52 at regionals last year when he needed it to make it to nationals,and ahmad wrights previous pr was 50.48 from last year and he ran under 50.7 in 3 of his only 5 races last year...so a 2 tenth pr...not that serious, your getting meeningless seasonal best confused with lifetime bests

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                            • #44
                              Re: A UCLA/World Superstar Is Born

                              oh and you are posting false info to prove your points...all of your times from regionals are finals except jonathan williams who ran 50.1...a pr somewhere besides tuscon..is it even possible.....

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