Pre DL-110H: Xiang LIU 12.87 (+2.4)

[jamaica50]

Re: Pre DL-110H: Xiang LIU 12.87 (+2.4)

http://www.registerguard.com/web/sports/28154731-41/robles-antunez-reuters-coach-cuban.html.csp

According to this article he had it approved, but his coach didn't want to travel last minute.

Well, hopefully, next year, it will not be an issue. I don't believe Robles has ever run in the US.

[ATK]

Re: Pre DL-110H: Xiang LIU 12.87 (+2.4)

http://www.registerguard.com/web/sports ... n.html.csp

According to this article he had it approved, but his coach didn't want to travel last minute.

[preston]

Re: Pre DL-110H: Xiang LIU 12.87 (+2.4)

So, the State Department held Robles out of the meet? How can PRE keep DL status if the US won't give Cubans visas for sport? (or did the Cubans not send him fearing the usual Cuban-American yahoos showing up to protest?)

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/sports/201 ... 464610.htm

...The world record holder and reigning champion Robles didn't make it to the US meet due to visa problems.

[Riff80]

Re: Pre DL-110H: Xiang LIU 12.87 (+2.4)

If Oliver doesn't get it together you could see Merritt, Richardson, and Faulk(if he doesn't false start) on the US Olympic team.

[lonewolf]

Re: Pre DL-110H: Xiang LIU 12.87 (+2.4)

Perfectly functioning windgauges, manual and automatic, sometimes produce mystifying results depending on placement, venue and the fact that winds reverse,swirl, die and gust in seconds which may occur at fortunate or inopportune times during a race or event.
(Which, btw, was not the case in the infamous 100m at Indy 1988)

[gh]

Re: Pre DL-110H: Xiang LIU 12.87 (+2.4)

...... ...Wish meets had a 2nd or back up wind guage on opposite side of track to see what wind is there as it varies greatly. If we are going to measure wind then we need to properly measure it, not trust one machine in one spot operated by a single operator who may or may not properly use the gauge.

Yeah, I was in the booth, so I can't offer any informed commentary on what things were like at track level. Given the weather, the reading doesn't surprise me at all, however. And we know from the '72 OT in Eugene (slight different West Grandstand, admittedly), where they experimented by putting wind gauges on both sides of the track, there is a significant difference across the track (as there probably is in many venues; anyplace where a wind shadow comes into play).

For consistency's sake from one venue to another, you of course have the single gauge in the single spot. That's as close as one can get to "accurate" while remaining practical.

As for "operator error" I don't believe that with a modern system like Swiss Timing uses that there is any "operator"; the whole thing is integrated and the machine works on its own in response to the gun. Doesn't mean that errors aren't possible, but only if the system itself goes haywire, and that usually makes itself evident pretty quickly (see Edmonton '01).

And yes, far different system than Hayward usually uses.

[Marlow]

Re: Pre DL-110H: Xiang LIU 12.87 (+2.4)

in this race xiang is fastest with or without hurdles

if there were a 100m race (no hurdles) where you could only lift your knees a little, he would win by 10m!!

[gibson]

Re: Pre DL-110H: Xiang LIU 12.87 (+2.4)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIJF1zj8nPE

xiang used his advantage in being slow, to win the hurdles, via great technique. NOT

freeze vid at the first hurdle.
freeze vid at last hurdle
freeze vid at finish.

in this race xiang is fastest with or without hurdles

[Marlow]

Re: Pre DL-110H: Xiang LIU 12.87 (+2.4)

Is DO playing possum? Or is that where he is in training? Or he is just not going to make the podium? What a shame....Particularly if he's hurt...

He wasn't playing possum last year and so I doubt he is now. He may still be dealing with getting the injury bugaboo behind him.

[Marlow]

Re: Pre DL-110H: Xiang LIU 12.87 (+2.4)

I still think Richardson will be the US #1 this season. Not crazy about his locked knee lead- leg though.

No comment on his over-the-top swim-move?? I'm reserving judgement (hard to argue with success), but it SEEMS like a lot of wasted motion. If the object of the game is to keep it as close to sprinting as biomechanically possible (my perspective - which is not to say there aren't major differences between the two), his lead-arm seems to spend too much time looping. Watch Liu's simple economy of motion and tell me that's not close to ideal (like Skeets).

[Megas15]

Re: Pre DL-110H: Xiang LIU 12.87 (+2.4)

Is DO playing possum? Or is that where he is in training? Or he is just not going to make the podium? What a shame....
Particularly if he's hurt...

[72]

Re: Pre DL-110H: Xiang LIU 12.87 (+2.4)

its a toss up which is more perverse... the wind at Eugene or the British weather.

[t_monk]

Re: Pre DL-110H: Xiang LIU 12.87 (+2.4)

I think Oliver might not make the team... >_>

I want to see what Robles and the other young Cuban can do with Lui in the race.

[sprintdoc]

Re: Pre DL-110H: Xiang LIU 12.87 (+2.4)

Since it seems no one else on here commenting on this race has either brought it up or perhaps was just not at the meet (gh in the booth) I feel compelled to say as someone essentially on the track that there was no wind anywhere near 2.4. Having been in the exact same spot at Pac12's when the men's 100 was given a 2.0 wind was double that I just laugh. Seems a different machine was used today than normal UO meets but that with standing I must offer I'm usually very close to guessing wind amounts & this was a hardly a tail of more than .2 or .3 above 0.0. Wish meets had a 2nd or back up wind guage on opposite side of track to see what wind is there as it varies greatly. If we are going to measure wind then we need to properly measure it, not trust one machine in one spot operated by a single operator who may or may not properly use the gauge.

[Per Andersen]

Re: Pre DL-110H: Xiang LIU 12.87 (+2.4)

I still think Richardson will be the US #1 this season. Not crazy about his locked knee lead- leg though. Liu is in a class by his own now. Still a shame that Robles could not be there.