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  • EPelle04
    Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 84

    Vicarious Wishes and Reality Checks -- Film at 11

    Notwithstanding the fact that we live in a vicarious athletics world, do you think it is better to be careful or excitable when an athlete posts a good early-season mark? Is it better to have a strong hold on reality, or to have a vivid imagination of what is possible?
  • Cyril
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 2291

    #2
    Re: Psyche Me Out, Alan Webb!

    Setting goals is one thing setting limits is another. Those who are able to accomplish things the rest of us find unimaginable are first able to imagine, then they believe, then they do.

    Most of us can never even imagine doing them.

    So, I would say in the athletic world it is best to me an enthusistic confident dreamer rather then someone who is grounded in only what is thought of by the rest as possible. However, the dreamer must have a sense of CURRENT reality and CURRENT limitiations as well - without this the dreamer is simply an idiot.

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    • tafnut
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2005
      • 26679
      • Lost at C (-minus)

      #3
      Re: Vicarious Wishes and Reality Checks -- Film at 11

      I always vote the Optimistic party line. Yes, I get disappointed a lot, but the Pessimists are NEVER happy.

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      • The Kitchen Cynic
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2005
        • 326

        #4
        Re: Vicarious Wishes and Reality Checks -- Film at 11

        > the Pessimists are NEVER happy.<

        Yes, but they're rarely disappointed. :-)

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        • Vince
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2005
          • 449

          #5
          Re: Psyche Me Out, Alan Webb!

          EPelle:

          I can tell by your posts that you are a T&F diehard. This 21 yr(Webb)has done some amazing things(today he is scheduled to be honored at the Sub-4 Gala in DC), but there is a very big chance he has just peaked. I will be watching the results of Hengelo 5/31, Bergen Bislett 6/11, and the Bowerman(if he's running there)6/19, the Olympic trials and the games themselves with much interest.

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          • EPelle04
            Member
            • Oct 2005
            • 84

            #6
            Re: Vicarious Wishes and Reality Checks -- Film at 11

            Optimistically Pessimistic? Or Pessimistically Optimistic?

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            • Vince
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2005
              • 449

              #7
              Re: Psyche Me Out, Alan Webb!

              The edit button is great.

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              • malmo
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2005
                • 4376

                #8
                Re: Vicarious Wishes and Reality Checks -- Film at 11

                >I always vote the Optimistic party line. Yes, I get disappointed a lot, but the
                >Pessimists are NEVER happy.


                Very good. I presume that isn't original content, and that if I just change the formatting and repost Garry Hill won't delete and you won't threaten to notify the authorities to amend my permanant record?

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                • marknhj
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 5070

                  #9
                  Re: Psyche Me Out, Alan Webb!

                  Jesus, 33 minutes to morph into Webb...I vote for keeping all Webb references on that one long thread.

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                  • EPelle04
                    Member
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 84

                    #10
                    Re: Psyche Me Out, Alan Webb!

                    Ah, only one post (now two, with yours) relating to the subject in question. This is about athletes posting good early-season marks and fans getting excited about those marks. Can be AW, Stevenson, Lunn, whoever.

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                    • tafnut
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 26679
                      • Lost at C (-minus)

                      #11
                      Re: Psyche Me Out, Alan Webb!

                      "> the Pessimists are NEVER happy.<

                      > Yes, but they're rarely disappointed. :-)"

                      of course they are never disappointed, to them life sucks ALL the time.

                      malmo - I wish I could figure out what you mean sometimes - I never know whether it's a big slam or a compliment. Being the Optimist, I'll presume that you agreed with me. (P.S. - if that's not what you meant, don't tell me, I'll just be too 'disappointed'.)

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                      • Cyril
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 2291

                        #12
                        Re: Psyche Me Out, Alan Webb!

                        An athlete must also be willing to take chances and have a thick enough skin to repeatedly fail and not let the failure do them in - they bouce back.

                        Fear of failure, and fear of success - resulting in increased external expectations - are something the best athletes have learned not to have. They focus on the task at hand - getting the job done - without fear.

                        This is much easier said then done. Maturity is required.

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                        • montanapete
                          Junior Member
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 2

                          #13
                          Re: Psyche Me Out, Alan Webb!

                          epelle where in europe do you live?.why dont you fly to palo-alto for us open/or us olympic trials.
                          come to our hotel&have a meal on us.

                          the chuckster

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                          • EPelle04
                            Member
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 84

                            #14
                            Re: Psyche Me Out, Alan Webb!

                            Darn -- it is 23.36, and I have missed the show!

                            I am cautiously optimistic (and very happy) when athletes show promise after a good outing, and conscientious about the long-term picture at hand.

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                            • malmo
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 4376

                              #15
                              Re: Psyche Me Out, Alan Webb!

                              >malmo - I wish I could figure out what you mean sometimes - I never
                              >know whether it's a big slam or a compliment. Being the Optimist, I'll presume
                              >that you agreed with me. (P.S. - if that's not what you meant, don't tell me,
                              >I'll just be too 'disappointed'.)

                              tafnut, "very good" in malmoese roughly translates to "very good" in English.

                              The rest refers to a previous innocuous historical thread about the results from past Oly Trials that quickly imploded into an over-the-top, recrimination-laden, copyright law thread. Ask GarryTwoRs.

                              "The Guns of Brixton" - The Clash

                              When they kick at your front door
                              How you gonna come?
                              With your hands on your head
                              Or on the trigger of your gun

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