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    There is an American "fraternity" of sorts that is expected to claim its 400th member this outdoor season (it presently has 396, scratch that, 397). It has had extraordinary little impact on the International outdoor stage and can barely claim a handful of medals; less than 10% of its members have ever even made a USA Team.

    Conversely, there is another American event fraternity that only has 36 members. Every member, except one, of this fraternity has made a USA Olympic or World Championship team. And, almost every member of this fraternity has an Olympic or World Championship medal. Some even have had World Records. Needless to say, this fraternity is recognized universally. The average age that fraternity members of this event achieved their PB is 24.8, which should extinguish the old canard that athletes "peak" at age 27 or 28.

    List of current members
    • 2 9.69 2.0 Tyson GAY 09 AUG 1982 (27)
      6 9.79 0.1 Maurice GREENE 23 JUL 1974 (24)
      6 9.79 1.5 Justin GATLIN 10 FEB 1982 (30)
      11 9.85 1.2 Leroy BURRELL 21 FEB 1967 (27)
      11 9.85 1.3 Mike RODGERS 24 APR 1985 (26)
      15 9.86 1.2 Carl LEWIS 01 JUL 1961 (30)
      22 9.88 1.8 Shawn CRAWFORD 14 JAN 1978 (26)
      22 9.88 1.0 Walter DIX 31 JAN 1986 (24)
      22 9.88 0.9 Ryan BAILEY 13 APR 1989 (21)
      26 9.89 1.6 Travis PADGETT 13 DEC 1986 (21)
      26 9.89 1.6 Darvis PATTON 04 DEC 1977 (30)
      29 9.91 1.2 Dennis MITCHELL 20 FEB 1966 (25)
      29 9.91 0.9 Leonard SCOTT 19 JAN 1980 (26)
      34 9.92 0.3 Andre CASON 20 JAN 1969 (24)
      34 9.92 0.8 Jon DRUMMOND 09 SEP 1968 (28)
      34 9.92 0.2 Tim MONTGOMERY 28 JAN 1975 (22)
      34 9.92 1.0 Tim HARDEN 27 JAN 1974 (25)
      40 9.93 A 1.4 Calvin SMITH 08 JAN 1961 (22)
      40 9.93 -0.6 Michael MARSH 04 AUG 1967 (24)
      40 9.93 1.1 Ivory WILLIAMS 02 MAY 1985 (24)
      45 9.94 -0.2 Bernard WILLIAMS 19 JAN 1978 (23)
      47 9.95 A 0.3 Jim HINES 10 SEP 1946 (22)
      47 9.95 0.8 Vincent HENDERSON 20 OCT 1972 (25)
      47 9.95 1.8 Joshua J. JOHNSON 10 MAY 1976 (25)
      47 9.95 1.8 John CAPEL 27 OCT 1978 (25)
      47 9.95 1.6 Rodney MARTIN 22 DEC 1982 (25)
      47 9.95 -0.8 Trell KIMMONS 13 JUL 1985 (25)
      57 9.96 0.1 Melvin LATTANY 10 AUG 1959 (24)
      57 9.96 0.0 Wallace SPEARMON 24 DEC 1984 (22)
      57 9.96 1.4 Harry ADAMS 27 NOV 1989 (22)
      63 9.97 1.3 Rakieem SALAAM 05 APR 1990 (21)
      68 9.98 0.4 Coby MILLER 19 OCT 1976 (23)
      75 9.99 0.5 Brian LEWIS 05 DEC 1974 (27)
      75 9.99 1.5 Mickey GRIMES 10 OCT 1976 (26)
      75 9.99 1.0 Marcus BRUNSON 24 APR 1978 (28)
      75 9.99 1.6 Mark JELKS 10 APR 1984 (24)


    If it wasn't so comparatively easy to join the considerably larger fraternity it would be a good bet to see which group would be the first to add 4 members this spring; however, there is a very good chance that the smaller group could add 4 members before the larger group. The American sprinters most likely to join the much the more elite fraternity this spring, imo, are (based upon previous years results of course):

    -Charles Silmon
    -Keenan Brock
    -Marcus Rowland
    -Cordero Gray
    -Prezel Hardy
    -Zye Boey
    -Aaron Earnest
    -Dentarius Locke

  • #2
    Re: 4 to get to 40!

    sub-4:00 is currently at 397, not 396

    http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index. ... -only/1476

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    • #3
      Re: 4 to get to 40!

      Originally posted by gh
      sub-4:00 is currently at 397, not 396

      http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index. ... -only/1476
      396, 397, it's not like it's significant internationally... Anyway...corrected.

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      • #4
        Re: 4 to get to 40!

        Batonless relay, I just want to thank you for all the knowledge you shared here over all those years. You sure can be impressive.
        "A beautiful theory killed by an ugly fact."
        by Thomas Henry Huxley

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        • #5
          Re: 4 to get to 40!

          Originally posted by batonless relay
          Originally posted by gh
          sub-4:00 is currently at 397, not 396

          http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index. ... -only/1476
          396, 397, it's not like it's significant internationally... Anyway...corrected.
          But it is germane to the 'race between 400 sub-4:00s and 40 sub-10s

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          • #6
            Re: 4 to get to 40!

            Originally posted by 26mi235
            Originally posted by batonless relay
            Originally posted by gh
            sub-4:00 is currently at 397, not 396

            http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index. ... -only/1476
            396, 397, it's not like it's significant internationally... Anyway...corrected.
            But it is germane to the 'race between 400 sub-4:00s and 40 sub-10s
            You're absolutely right. I was being a little too snarky about the mile and sub-4.

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            • #7
              Re: 4 to get to 40!

              This thread got me going!
              I keep Top 24 lists of performers.
              But within those top 24 are numerous shorter lists of "barrier breaking" times, heights, and distances.
              No names (for now), just numbers.
              All the marks are OUTdoors!!
              (The men's 100 has already been done, so I'll skip that.)

              Men

              sub-20.00 200........24
              sub- 44.00 400........9
              sub-1:44.00 800.....14
              sub-3:33.00 1500...11
              sub-3:50 1 mile.....6
              sub-7:40 3K.........15
              sub-8:20 2 mile.....14
              sub-13:00 5K........6
              sub-27:00 10K.......2
              sub-27:30 10K.......11
              sub-2:10 mar........16 (all courses)
              sub-8:10 SC......... 4
              sub-8:20 SC..........23
              sub-13.00 110H.....10
              sub-48.00 400H.....19
              7-8 HJ................17
              28-0 LJ...............7
              57-0 TJ.............. 13
              19-2 PV...............17
              72-0 SP...............12
              220-0 DT.............20
              275-0 JT.............6
              250 HT...............10
              8500 Dec.............9

              Women

              sub-10.90 100......17
              sub-22.00 200......9
              sub-50.00 400......17
              sub-1:58.00 800....12
              sub-4:00 1500......5
              sub-4:25.00 mile...9
              sub-8:40.0 3K.......11
              sub-9:30.0 2 mile...2
              sub-15.00 5K........12
              sub-31:00 10K.......3
              sub-31:30 10K.......14
              sub-2:25 mar........4 (all courses)
              sub-9:30 SC..........6
              sub-12.50 100H......10
              sub-54.00 400H......10
              6-6 HJ.................8
              23-0 LJ................7
              47-0 TJ................4
              15-0 PV................15
              60-0 SP................20
              200-0 DT..............21
              200-0 JT..............4
              230-0 HT..............13
              6300 Hept.............14

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              • #8
                Re: 4 to get to 40!

                Originally posted by 26mi235
                Originally posted by batonless relay
                Originally posted by gh
                sub-4:00 is currently at 397, not 396

                http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index. ... -only/1476
                396, 397, it's not like it's significant internationally... Anyway...corrected.
                But it is germane to the 'race between 400 sub-4:00s and 40 sub-10s
                the difference between a mile list and a 100 list is that you know the mile list probably doesn't have any marks on it that were achieved through the aid of wind and/or altitude and/or questionable starting.

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                • #9
                  Re: 4 to get to 40!

                  Originally posted by gh
                  Originally posted by 26mi235
                  Originally posted by batonless relay
                  Originally posted by gh
                  sub-4:00 is currently at 397, not 396

                  http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index. ... -only/1476
                  396, 397, it's not like it's significant internationally... Anyway...corrected.
                  But it is germane to the 'race between 400 sub-4:00s and 40 sub-10s
                  the difference between a mile list and a 100 list is that you know the mile list probably doesn't have any marks on it that were achieved through the aid of wind and/or altitude and/or questionable starting.
                  Haven't checked the whole list, but doesn't the 397 include INDOOR times as well as outdoor?
                  Not to mention indoor times run on OT's!!

                  If there were an OUTDOOR ONLY list.....no indoors, OT or not, included......what would the number be??
                  (And of course, no relay splits, and no converted 1600 times, if there are any!)

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                  • #10
                    Re: 4 to get to 40!

                    Originally posted by Pego
                    Batonless relay, I just want to thank you for all the knowledge you shared here over all those years.
                    Oooooooh, how did I not see that? Splains everything . . .

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                    • #11
                      Re: 4 to get to 40!

                      Originally posted by aaronk
                      If there were an OUTDOOR ONLY list.....no indoors, OT or not, included......what would the number be??!)
                      The number would be irrelevant. Those OT tracks which are not used for Indoor records are certainly no more advantageous than the full 400m outdoor tracks. Since indoor tracks are not generally thought to be faster than outdoor 400m tracks, there is no reason at all to discount them (after all we are not leaving out marks made on Thursdays either). Of course, the reason that a number of runners get their marks indoors is that NCAA runs miles indoors (versus primarily 1500s outdoors).

                      Now, maybe we should add 4:01.5 marks done on flat indoor tracks ( :lol: )

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                      • #12
                        Re: 4 to get to 40!

                        Originally posted by 26mi235
                        But it is germane to the 'race between 400 sub-4:00s and 40 sub-10s
                        As Germane as Jackson. That's Jacksun if you're nasty.

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                        • #13
                          Re: 4 to get to 40!

                          [quote="aaronk....
                          (And of course, no relay splits, and no converted 1600 times, if there are any!)[/quote]

                          Have you ever thought of actually looking at the introduction to the list to see just what's there before you pop off?

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                          • #14
                            Re: 4 to get to 40!

                            [quote=gh]
                            Originally posted by "aaronk....
                            (And of course, no relay splits, and no converted 1600 times, if there are any!)[/quote

                            Have you ever thought of actually looking at the introduction to the list to see just what's there before you pop off?
                            Okay, I took your advice.
                            And found some interesting stats while I was at it.

                            Of the 397 milers listed, 143 of them ran that 1st sub-4:00 INDOORS!!
                            Thus, if, like me, you totally separate indoors from outdoors, there have been just 254 milers who ran their first sub-4:00 on an OUTDOOR track!!

                            And 2010 was the year when, of the 20 1st time sub-4:00's, 18 of them were run INDOORS.....and TEN of those were run on Seattle's OT!!

                            I totally accept the fact that I'm a "lone voice in the wilderness" on this subject.
                            So be it!!
                            But those are the FACTS, Ma'am!!

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                            • #15
                              Re: 4 to get to 40!

                              of course most of the modern ones are indoors; the mile is an NCAA event indoors, but not outdoors.

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