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  • #31
    Re: ¶USATF 2013 - m800: Duane Solomon 1:43.27 (WL)

    At the 1984 Olympic Trials each of the top four finished under 1:44 despite the fact that the winner (and second placer) only ran 1:43.74

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    • #32
      Re: ¶USATF 2013 - m800: Duane Solomon 1:43.27 (WL)

      According to HSI website, Brandon Johnson has been coached since 2012 by none other than Morceli!

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      • #33
        Re: ¶USATF 2013 - m800: Duane Solomon 1:43.27 (WL)

        Abderrahmane?

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        • #34
          Re: ¶USATF 2013 - m800: Duane Solomon 1:43.27 (WL)

          Yes, click on Brandon Johnson's page:

          http://www.hsi.net/sports-track-and-field.html

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          • #35
            Re: ¶USATF 2013 - m800: Duane Solomon 1:43.27 (WL)

            Yes, Abderrahmane Morceli.

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            • #36
              Re: USATF 2013 - m800: Brandon Johnson leads SF at 1:44.78

              Originally posted by CookyMonzta
              D'OH! My bad. It was also Dave Wottle's 1972 game plan as well. Nick was too far back to win this time, though.
              Symmonds ran 51.25, 52.45, excellent pacing. Are you assuming he would have caught Solomon had he run 50.7? As they say, "It ain't necessarily so". Only in London has Symmonds run faster than Solomon did today.
              Cheers,
              Alan Shank
              Woodland, CA, USA

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              • #37
                Re: ¶USATF 2013 - m800: Duane Solomon 1:43.27 (WL)

                Originally posted by JumboElliott
                At the 1984 Olympic Trials each of the top four finished under 1:44 despite the fact that the winner (and second placer) only ran 1:43.74
                That's what I was thinking, but Race Results Weekly reported that the last time it happened was in 1992:

                "The race invited comparisons to the 1992 USA Olympic Trials in New Orleans where three men also broke 1:44: Grey, 1:42.80; Mark Everett, 1:43.67 and José Parilla 1:43.97. Fourth place George Kersh ran 1:44-flat."

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                • #38
                  Re: ¶USATF 2013 - m800: Duane Solomon 1:43.27 (WL)

                  There's a common denominator in those two races.

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                  • #39
                    Re: ¶USATF 2013 - m800: Duane Solomon 1:43.27 (WL)

                    Nick Symmonds needs to make his move a bit earlier. I am sure by the end of the race he still has something left. He has to do way too much between 600-700. He says he is not a one trick pony but this is the only trick I have seen from him.

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                    • #40
                      Re: ¶USATF 2013 - m800: Duane Solomon 1:43.27 (WL)

                      It took a WL to beat him; not sure that you can fault him and expect him to run a 1:42 for the win. Yes, he wanted the title, but he wanted even more to make the team and was probably willing to diminish slightly is odds on the former to increase the odds of the latter.

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                      • #41
                        Re: ¶USATF 2013 - m800: Duane Solomon 1:43.27 (WL)

                        Originally posted by fasttrack85
                        Nick Symmonds needs to make his move a bit earlier. I am sure by the end of the race he still has something left. He has to do way too much between 600-700. He says he is not a one trick pony but this is the only trick I have seen from him.
                        Agree.
                        He dropped back too far and had to expend too much energy getting back in contention. That's how he runs and it works well in 1:43.8-1:44 races. But this was 1.43.2. Quite a difference.

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                        • #42
                          Re: ¶USATF 2013 - m800: Duane Solomon 1:43.27 (WL)

                          he needs to work a little on his position. Not where he is in his race, but in posture. He runs with a lot of power, but little efficiency. He is his own worst enemy.

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                          • #43
                            Re: ¶USATF 2013 - m800: Duane Solomon 1:43.27 (WL)

                            Originally posted by mal
                            he needs to work a little on his position. Not where he is in his race, but in posture. He runs with a lot of power, but little efficiency. He is his own worst enemy.
                            Can you elaborate, please? [hip position?, ? other things?; not questioning the comment, just wanting more insight]

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                            • #44
                              Re: ¶USATF 2013 - m800: Duane Solomon 1:43.27 (WL)

                              the race results could not have been better for team usa.

                              solomon is clearly in 142 shape, maybe better.
                              symmonds ran one of his best races ever.
                              the 3rd guy may be a 142 guy next season.

                              symmonds knows how to peak for championships - the focus of the year is to make the usa team (little peak), then peak (big) for the champs. if all goes well, you'll see a symmonds that can go 142 mid-high. if that's not good enough to medal this year, then hello 1500.

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                              • #45
                                Re: ¶USATF 2013 - m800: Duane Solomon 1:43.27 (WL)

                                Originally posted by 26mi235
                                Originally posted by mal
                                he needs to work a little on his position. Not where he is in his race, but in posture. He runs with a lot of power, but little efficiency. He is his own worst enemy.
                                Can you elaborate, please? [hip position?, ? other things?; not questioning the comment, just wanting more insight]
                                He has a slight bow in his back. It changes the angle of his hips to the ground. It slows his leg speed and he ends up a little like an over strider. It keeps his hips low. It also pulls his head back in his stance a little. It lowers his knee lift a little which drops his hands. All are related.

                                It shows him running with enormous strength, and prevents his power at spots. He has much more available but he's like the guy who enjoys being the strong guy, rather than the winner.

                                Slight changes in his hip angles, and where he puts his feet would let a lot of things fall into place. He runs like he's on tank treads. Shame really. :mrgreen:

                                About 4 weeks and he could take a second off his time, if he kept his head in it. He works way too hard in a race. Though he's sometimes accused of not working hard enough. He needs to learn to run a little taller. But everything he does is to lower himself.

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