Top Americans on World A-T Lists

[aaronk]

As I've told you many times, I have my own T&F Record Book.
In it, the major section is what I call DDD, or Double Dandy Dozen, which are the Top 24 (More if there're ties at the bottom!) Performers for each event.
I have separate DDD's for HS, Collegiate, USA, and the World.

In looking at the World and USA lists, I see there are some events where NO man or NO woman from the USA makes the World Top 24.
Here's a rundown of where the top Americans are on the World Top 24's.
Not all events are included.
These are up-to-date, as much as I could determine.
I'll have to do this in multiple posts.

Men (Outdoor)
100-------Gay (2nd), Carter (5th), Greene & Gatlin (6th-tie), Rodgers & Burrell (11th, tie), Lewis (14th), Crawford, Bailey, Dix (22nd, ties)
200-------Johnson (3rd), Dix (4th), Gay (5th), Carter (6th), Spearmon (7th), Marsh (10th), Lewis & DeLoach (11th, tie), Crawford (14th), Smith (18th), Capel (20th), Greene, I Young, Gatlin (23rd, ties)
400--------Johnson (1st), Reynolds (2nd), Wariner (3rd), Watts (4th), Merritt (5th), D Everett (6th), Evans (7th), S Lewis (8th), L James (10th), Taylor (11th), A Harrison & J Young (13th, tie), Mills (15th), Maybank (17th), O Harris (18th), Pettigrew (22nd), Collett (24th)

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Men (Outdoor) continued.
800--------Gray (14th), Solomon (22nd)
1000------Wohlhuter (7th)
1500------Lagat (See Note below.), Maree (19th),
1 mile----Webb (8th), Lagat (See Note below.), Scott (12th),

NOTE: Before I go on to the other events, a note about Bernard Lagat. He became an American in 2005. His times in the 1500 and 1 mile that would rank highest on the World list come from his Kenyan past. Since my DDD's are listed by fastest performers, their fastest mark must prevail, and be the ONLY mark listed. As such, Lagat's American marks do NOT make my World Top 24, since his Kenyan marks are faster!

3000------Lagat (24th)
2 mile----Tegenkamp (5th), Webb (10th), Kennedy (11th), Ritzenhein (14th), Lagat (16th), Goucher (17th), M Davis (18th),
5000------NONE
10000----Rupp (16th),
Mar------NONE
3000SC--NONE
110H----A Merritt (1st), Oliver (4th) Arnold (5th), A Johnson & Kingdom (7th, tied), Nehemiah (9th), Pierce (10th), Trammell (11th), Crear & Richardson (13th, tied), Wade 17th), Payne & R Wilson (18th, tied), Foster & Torian (20th, tied), Dees (22nd)
400H----Young (1st), Moses (2nd), Bronson (3rd), Phillips (5th), Clement (7th), Taylor (8th), Jackson (10th), Harris (12th), J Carter (13th), Adkins (16th), Dutch (19th), Brazell (21st), Patrick (23rd)

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Men (Outdoor) continued
HJ-------Austin (5th), Conway (10th), Carter & McCants & J Williams & Kynard (22nd, ties)
LJ-------Powell (1st), Beamon (2md), Lewis (3rd), Myricks & Walder & Phillips (5th, ties), KST (11th), Stringfellow (17th), McGhee (18th), Lister (20th), Starks & Greene (23rd, ties)
TJ------Harrison (2nd), Banks (4th), Taylor (5th), Conley (11th), Simpkins (12th), Lister (17th)
PV------Walker (4th), Hartwig (5th), Mack (7th), Stevenson (12th), L Johnson (17th), Huffman (19th), Dial (20th)
SP------Barnes (1st), Oldfield (4th), Toth (6th), Cantwell (8th), Brenner (9th), Nelson (10th), Hoffa (11th), Whiting (12th), Godina (15th), Martin (16th), Laut (19th), Tafralis (21st)
DT-----Plucknett (8th), Powell (10th), Burns (11th), Washington (12th), Wilkins (15th), Godina & Young (23rd, tie)
JT-----Greer (9th), Petranoff (13th),
HT----Deal (23rd)
Dec---Eaton (1st), O'Brien (4th), Clay (6th), Hardee (10th), Pappas (11th), Johnson (17th), Huffins (19th), Fritz (23rd)

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Men (Indoor)
60--------Greene (1st), Cason (2nd), Harden (4th), Trammell & Kimmons & Gatlin (5th, ties), Montgomery & Drummond & Brunson & Scott (11th, ties), Crawford & D Phillips (16th, ties), Capel & Burrell & M Rodgers (20th, ties)
200-------Spearmon (2nd), Capel & Crawford (4th, ties), Dix (7th), K Carter (8th), C Miller (9th), Little & Griffin (10th, ties), R Williams (13th), Webb (15th), R Martin & C Mitchell (16th), Salaam (18th), L Merritt & J Williams & Clement (19th, ties), M Mitchell (23rd)
400-------Clement (1st), Johnson (2nd), L Merritt (4th), D Everett (5th), T Lawrence (6th), A Harrison (7th), C Harrison (11th), McQuay (12th), Reynolds (13th), Carter (14th), Gatson (15th), T Washington (17th), Wariner & Roberts (20th, ties)Willie & B Jackson (24th, ties)

800-------Gray (13th),
1000------NONE
1500------Lagat (9th), Rupp (22nd)
1 mile----Lagat (3rd), Rupp (5th), Lomong (8th), Centrowitz (9th), Scott (10th), Maree (15th),
3000-----Rupp (7th), Lagat (13th)
2 mile----Lagat (10th), Rupp (12th), Bumbalough (16th), Jager (23rd), Padilla (24th)
5000------Lomong (11th), Lagat (12th), Rupp (19th), Derrick (24th)

60H-------Kingdom & A Johnson & Trammell (3rd, ties), Oliver & Dees (6th, ties), Torian & Crear (9th, ties), Faulk (11th), Hawkins (13th), Ross & A Merritt (17th, ties), G Foster & Wade (20th, ties)

Field events on next post.

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Men (indoor) continued.

HJ-------Conway (4th), Hemingway (9th), Austin (15th), Williams & Howard (21st, ties)
LJ-------Lewis (1st), Pate (4th), Myricks (7th), Powell (8th), Walder (9th), Greene & Stringfellow (11th, ties), Starks (18th), Kelly (19th), Beamon (21st)Conley (23rd)
TJ-------Conley (5th), W Davis (8th), Claye (10th), Taylor (15th), Simpkins (23rd)
PV-------Hartwig (4th), L Johnson (9th), Olson & Harvey (11th, ties), Dial (16th)

SP------Barnes (1st), Nelson (3rd), Oldfield & Hoffa (5th, ties), Woods (7th), Whiting (9th), Cantwell (10th), Godina (12th), Stulce (15th), Toth (17th), Bloom (20th), Doehring (23rd)
WT-----Deal (1st), Kruger (3rd), Johnson (4th), Freeman (5th), Logan (6th), C Martin (7th), D Taylor (9th), Mai (11th), Henning (12th), Chisari (17th), Porter (19th), Parker (21st), Rohr (22nd), McEwen (23rd)

Sorry, no lists for indoor Hept for men.
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Women (outdoor)

100--------Flojo (1st), Jeter (2nd), Jones (3rd), Ashford (8th), Sowell & T Edwards (11th, ties), Miller (13th), Devers & Torrence (16th, ties), Echols (21st)
200--------Flojo (1st), Jones (2nd), Felix (4th), Torrence (7th), I Miller (13th), Brisco (14th), Ashford (15th), Marshall (18th), Cheeseborough (21st)
400--------SRR (7th), Brisco (8th), Cheeseborough (10th),

800--------NONE
1000------Jacobs (14th)
1500------NONE
1 mile----Slaney (5th), Rowbury (16th), Jacobs (21st)
3000-----Slaney (16th)

NOTE: I include ALL Chinese marks on my World lists!

2 mile----Jacobs (2nd), Rudolph (7th), Kastor (13th), Goucher (19th), N Lynch (23rd), Larrieu (24th)
5000-----NONE
10000---Flanagan (17th)
Mar-----Kastor (10th)
3000SC--Simpson (11th)

100H-----Rollins (3rd), Devers (6th), Harper & Hayes (9th, ties), Kirkland (13th), M Perry & L Jones & Q Harrison (15th, ties), Cherry (19th), Crawford (23rd)
400H-----Demus (3rd), Batten (4th), Buford-Bailey (5th), SFP (9th), Johnson Toste (15th), K Carter (20th)

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Women (outdoor) continued.

HJ--------Lowe (9th), Barrett (14th), Ritter (18th)
LJ--------JJK (2nd), Jones (9th), Reese (13th)
TJ-------NONE
PV-------Suhr (2nd), Dragila (6th), Johnson (16th), Hutson (21st)
SP-------NONE
DT------NONE
JT------Patterson (15th)
HT-----Bingson (18th)
Hept---JJK (1st), Frederick (16th), Fountain (21st)

Indoor women on the next post.

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Women (indoor)

60-------Jones & Devers (2nd, ties), L Williams & L Barber (10th, ties), Torrence & Jeter & Bartoletta (13th, ties), Guidry (20th)
200------Collins (3rd), Torrence (5th), Knight (9th), SRR & Lee (13th, ties), Perry (17th), Duncan (19th), Solomon (20th), C Moore (24th)
400------McCorory (18th), Dixon (22nd), SRR (23rd)

800------Teter (20th), Slaney (24th)
1000-----Toomey (8th), Jacobs (19th)
1500-----Jacobs (5th), Slaney (9th)
1 mile----Slaney (4th), Jacobs (5th), Simpson (20th), CWT (24th)
3000-----Flanagan (13th)
2 mile---Jacobs (7th), Jennings (8th), Bremser (9th), Merrill & Slaney (11th, ties), Rhines (17th), Rudolph (18th), Hansen (22nd)
5000-----Flanagan (8th), Runyan (20th)
60H------Jones (3rd), Devers (5th), Rollins (13th), Wells (16th), JJK (20th), Carson (21st)

Field events on the next post.

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Women (indoor) continued.

HJ-------Lowe (14th), Waller (17th), Sommer (23rd)
LJ-------Reese (3rd), JJK (7th), Burrell (12th), DeLoach Soukup (19th)
TJ-------NONE
PV-------Suhr (1st), Dragila (6th), Hutson (11th), Janson (22nd)
SP-------NONE
WT------Riley (1st), Campbell (2nd), Gilbreath (3rd), McCall (6th), Ellerbe (7th), Norgren (8th), Berry (9th), F Johnson (10th), Barrett (11th), McCarty (12th), Loree Smith (13th), Yush (14th), Moton (15th), Cross (17th), Ukabam (19th), Rohl (20th), Waller (21st), Leatherman (22nd)

Done!!

[aaronk]

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Conclusions......all of which, I'm sure, are already known to most of you, and/or pretty easy to figure out or assume.

Men (Outdoor)

The USA is VERY strong in the 100, 200, and 400.
Our middle distances are VERY weak, even in the mile, where we were once dominant.
The distances are even worse, while both hurdles are excellent!
In the field events, we're best in the LJ and SP.
We're weakest in the JT and HT, with the rest in the mid-ranges.

Men (Indoor)

Again, we're strongest in the 3 flat sprints and the hurdles.
From the 800 to the 5K, we're best in the "American" events, the 1 and 2 mile, but even there, we're not at all dominant.
In field events, we dominate the WT, which is rarely held outside our borders, and are strong in the LJ and SP.
We're okay, but could be better, in the HJ, PV, and TJ.

Women (outdoor)

Our women are excellent in the 100 and 200.....but why not also the 400??
Except for the USA-centric 2 mile, our women are really bad from 800 to the marathon.
We're excellent in the 100H, and good in the long hurdles.
We have 4 women in the PV, but 3 to zero in the rest of the field/multi events!

Women (Indoor)

Same as outdoors, we dominate the lists for the 60 and 200, but are infrequent visitors on the 400 list!
We''re also pretty good in the 60H, though nowhere near as strong as on the 100H list outdoors!!
The 800 to the 5K are not good, except, again, for the "American" 2 mile.
We completely rule the WT, with the PV and LJ getting 4, the HJ 3, with the TJ and SP being shutouts for the "other side"!!

[Tuariki]

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Hello Aaronk.
First,as much as I maliciously enjoy needling you about Mary Cain (because you never fail to bite), I enjoy your posts because of the great repository of the data and information you share with all of us.

Second, thanks for this info. I enjoyed reading it and recognising some of the athletes I had the privilege of knowing and competing with.

The USA is VERY strong in the 100, 200, and 400

Third, perhaps the US is not quite as strong as you think in the men's 100

100-------Gay (2nd), Carter (5th),.......

You might want to reconsider Nesta Carter's wearing of the Stars and Stripes.

[Tuariki]

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Given the relative success of male throwers there is no genetic biological reason for not having good female throwers. So what is the reason. I think there are two reasons.
Probably the main reason is that while men who are huge and powerful are in the USA generally admired and/or encouraged it is the exact opposite for females.
The second reason is that there was not a USA Government sponsored (forced sponsorship) that identified genetically large females and enrolled them into a mandatory feeding programme.

[aaronk]

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Hello Aaronk.
First,as much as I maliciously enjoy needling you about Mary Cain (because you never fail to bite), I enjoy your posts because of the great repository of the data and information you share with all of us.

Second, thanks for this info. I enjoyed reading it and recognising some of the athletes I had the privilege of knowing and competing with.

The USA is VERY strong in the 100, 200, and 400

Third, perhaps the US is not quite as strong as you think in the men's 100

100-------Gay (2nd), Carter (5th),.......

You might want to reconsider Nesta Carter's wearing of the Stars and Stripes.

You're right about Nesta Carter.
While typing, I was going mostly by my World list, extrapoling American names off of that, rather than going back and forth between the World and USA lists.
My error!! ops:
Also, I MIGHT have been thinking of XAVIAR Carter, who is on the 200 list!! He's NOT on the USA (or World) 100 list!! (Top 24!)
In my record book, which is entirely handwritten, I use mostly just LAST names (to speed things up!)....sometimes with a first name initial......so that's another reason I mistook Xaviar for Nesta.....or vice versa!!

[huntinwr]

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"our women are really bad from 800 to the marathon."

Well, maybe now there is someone who can change that! I'm sure I don't need to name her

[huntinwr]

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"NOTE: I include ALL Chinese marks on my World lists!"

I was curious about this so I compared TF&N's AT lists with IAAF's. The first does NOT include the 1993 and 1997 marks by Chinese athletes (just looking at 1,500 for now) but the latter does. I'd be interested to know your rationale for including them, since they obviously are huge outliers.