¶Monaco DL: m1500—Kiprop WL 3:27.72, Farah 3:28.81 NR

[athleticshushmail]

Re: Monaco (Herculis) m1500 (Kiprop 3:27.72; Farah 3:28.81 A

I was able to set that up on my Windows 8 laptop OK. Connected and went to whatsmyipaddress, saw 83.xx.xx.xx. I connected to the BBC web page OK. It's a snap!
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA, USA

Set up and connection to BBC site was easy enough, but bandwidth on the free server doesn't support watching much of anything. Trying to stream Monaco and getting "insufficient bandwidth" message. Connection speed with my primary server on my PC is a healthy 26Mbps; using VPN on the laptop with wifi set up right next to my router is a puny .08 Mbps. Dumping the VPN and using normal wifi connection on the laptop, I get 24.56 Mbps. I've read elsewhere that this is a typical problem with free VPNs. I guess you get what you pay for.

I didn't realize this was an ok topic to talk about on the messageboard. But if you're interested,
http://www.expatvpn.co.uk/ is dirt cheap, no set up required, just click the icon. And all the video will stream perfectly.

[bruce3404]

Re: ¶Monaco DL: m1500—Kiprop WL 3:27.72, Farah 3:28.81 NR

Further to this VPN discussion (and I do think it's ok here, since we all want to watch as much T&F as possible), I signed up for a 3 day trial on PureVPN, which was recommended. Cost is $10/mo or $50/yr and they'll give you a 3 day trial for $2.50. I'm now watching BBC One live, with a great picture and sound. The speedtest indicated 6.07Mbps, or 750X faster than the free VPN. They have a pretty brilliant dashboard that allows one to easily switch between numerous servers in 22 different countries, thus allowing for lots of choices for watching meets or hometown TV when you're on the road. The system automatically switches servers within the country you choose if the bandwidth drops dramatically from one server. You can use this service on a smart phone, tablet, laptop or PC and can use two devices at the same time at no additional cost. I know I sound like a shill, but it's pretty impressive while also providing greater security from hackers while on the road. Once my three day trial is over, I'm going for the annual package.

[gm]

Re: ¶Monaco DL: m1500—Kiprop WL 3:27.72, Farah 3:28.81 NR

Not to throw a damper on things, but IIRC if you're watching something that is live on the BBC, you need to have a TV license.

[lonewolf]

Re: ¶Monaco DL: m1500—Kiprop WL 3:27.72, Farah 3:28.81 NR

All that clicking around caused me malware problems too.

[bobguild76]

Monaco DL: m1500—Kiprop WL 3:27.72, Farah 3:28.81 NR

Lots of great takeaways from the race and this thread;

1. Farah has amazing range ... in the same class as Geb (1999 WIC @ 1500 w/ a still MR of 3:33) and Said Aouita (T&FN #1 @ 800 - 10k). I think his fitness level, plus the lack of pressure, gave him the perfect storm of a race.

2. He has one of the most elegant, loping strides around. Those around him (Kiprop excluded) seem to be working furiously, while he seems to glide along effortlessly.

3. El G's 1500 & mile records are incredible ... Kiprop would have been 15 meters behind, although probably less if he had El G to chase.

4. Daniel Komen's 3k WR is one of the best on the books. 7 1/2 at sub 58.8! Wow!!

5. Centro gave ground right after 800. I was hoping he would stay with the 3 ahead of him. He's definitely proven his racing chops, so I wonder what Salazar's assessment will be. Plus, Farah now has the 1500 bragging rights in the training group!

6. Will the Kenyans get together and go hard from the bell in Moscow? No one beats Kiprop at sub 3:30, but several have a chance at 3:32 or slower.

7. Will anyone push it in the 5k? Soi has excellent finishing speed, and has already beat Farah, so he may not be concerned with the 3:28. But with a 50 sec last lap (admittedly in a slow race), and now this, does anyone think they can beat Farah in a sit and kick?

Bring on the WCs!

[aaronk]

Re: ¶Monaco DL: m1500—Kiprop WL 3:27.72, Farah 3:28.81 NR

Maybe this time will finally put an end.....at least as long as Farah's in the race.......to jog-then-race-a-400-type "races"!!
Maybe we'll have some MR's in the 5 and 10K's at the WC!!

[Brian]

Re: ¶Monaco DL: m1500—Kiprop WL 3:27.72, Farah 3:28.81 NR

Someone on Twitter mused that Farah can get the WR in the 3000!
After this run, I agree!!
(Or at the very least a European record!!)

Neither Geb nor Bekele had very close runs at that 7:20. I suppose that next year would be the time for those experiments (although there are the Commonwealth Games, right?).

Either of these distances--and for Americans, it should be the 2-mile--would be perfect for a mid-summer attempt at Eugene in 2014. Something between European races, Nike runners tapped for the race (Kenyan pacers, Farah & Rupp), good $ incentives, etc. The shorter distance would be nice speed tune-up for nearly every athlete serious about Diamond League, Zurich, Van Damme, etc.

Could be at Pre Classic, but too early for the quality needed.

These are the things that can be attempted/done in non-championship seasons and might help draw attention to the sport.
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[Brian]

Re: ¶Monaco DL: m1500—Kiprop WL 3:27.72, Farah 3:28.81 NR

Noting the success of Salazar's athletes--Centro and Farah in the 1500m. plus Farah, Rupp, etc. in the 5,000m., I can't help but wonder if Alan Webb is bald again, having pulled out all of his hair.
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[pickle47]

Re: ¶Monaco DL: m1500—Kiprop WL 3:27.72, Farah 3:28.81 NR

Someone on Twitter mused that Farah can get the WR in the 3000!
After this run, I agree!!
(Or at the very least a European record!!)

Neither Geb nor Bekele had very close runs at that 7:20. I suppose that next year would be the time for those experiments (although there are the Commonwealth Games, right?).

Either of these distances--and for Americans, it should be the 2-mile--would be perfect for a mid-summer attempt at Eugene in 2014. Something between European races, Nike runners tapped for the race (Kenyan pacers, Farah & Rupp), good $ incentives, etc. The shorter distance would be nice speed tune-up for nearly every athlete serious about Diamond League, Zurich, Van Damme, etc.

Could be at Pre Classic, but too early for the quality needed.

These are the things that can be attempted/done in non-championship seasons and might help draw attention to the sport.
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That record's not going down anywhere but Rieti. Seriously.

Also, much as I think Farah is on the level of Geb/Bekele, I just can't quite make the stretch to 7:20 for 3K. I think Farah is on par for the 5k or 10k WRs right now, but the best of the best have shot at that 3k and ... nothin'.

I don't think we really saw the best 5k of Daniel Komen in the late 90's. He was not groomed, trained, and "coddled" the way that Geb, El G, and Beks were. That 3k was the true glimpse of his talent and ability. If Farah can do it, I don't think he will have the opportunity. As someone else pointed out on another thread, who is going to help take him through the 2k in 4:50? Rupp, maybe?

[LopenUupunut]

Re: Monaco DL: m1500—Kiprop WL 3:27.72, Farah 3:28.81 NR

7. Will anyone push it in the 5k? Soi has excellent finishing speed, and has already beat Farah, so he may not be concerned with the 3:28. But with a 50 sec last lap (admittedly in a slow race), and now this, does anyone think they can beat Farah in a sit and kick?

As opposed to? If anything, I'd take this as an indication that Farah can improve his PBs if necessary and that waiting for the first 4K and hammering the last 1000 isn't an obviously brilliant strategy either...

At this point I'd still pick (for instance) a peak Lagat over Farah at 5K; as great as Mo is, I don't see him running 51.6 at the end of a 13:00. Similarly, the reason Farah won the 10K in London but not in Daegu was that in London none of his opponents ran the last lap in 52.8, not anything he himself did differently; if we discover somebody who can do those things Mo is in trouble.

Who could that be? I have no idea... but then, I didn't see Jeylan doing it in Daegu.

[26mi235]

Re: ¶Monaco DL: m1500—Kiprop WL 3:27.72, Farah 3:28.81 NR

Anyone who thinks his 12:53 5000m PR is the best he can do is, I think, sadly mistaken. Sadly, because he is the best distance runner of his mini-generation (i.e., since 2011). He is also a great racer; put him in a race he wants to win that goes in 12:45 and he will win it. Similarly for a 27:40 race. As a few others have noted elsewhere (Canova/LR), I do not think he is going to do a solo WR (solo in the sense of having to run a significant fraction alone).

Salazar has said that Rupp is in comparable condition; he has not said that of late that I know of. However, Rupp ran some monster times indoors, so we will have to see what he brings to the table in the 10,000; the 5000 has the problem that he has to run 10,000/5000/5000. I am guessing that some countries are going to decide to push the 10,000 to have a better chance in the 5000. Kenya does not want to be shut out again, nor Ethiopia.

[pickle47]

Re: ¶Monaco DL: m1500—Kiprop WL 3:27.72, Farah 3:28.81 NR

I am guessing that some countries are going to decide to push the 10,000 to have a better chance in the 5000. Kenya does not want to be shut out again, nor Ethiopia.

Agree. And hopeful. Would love to see the Kenyans "sacrifice" someone in the 10k.