how about a fantasy 1200?

[gh]

longtime reader was blown away by Kiprop's 2:45.91 in Monaco (see story on front page) and wonders who might win an idealized race at that distance.

[aaronk]

Re: how about a fantasy 1200?

That time (2:45.91) is doable by most anyone who has sub-1:45 (or maybe 1:44) speed.
You go through 800 in 1:50 or 1:51, then kick with a 54.
I would think a time of 2:42 is possible (54, 55, 53), but probably would need to be able to run 800 in 1:42 or faster.

So.....Rudisha?
Symmonds?
Of course, Kiprop or Farah?
Other fast 800 guys, like Kitum, Amos, Aman, Solomon.

The 1200's in DMR's aren't a good barometer......one reason being that relay is run mostly in early season.

[Tuariki]

Re: how about a fantasy 1200?

Didn't Wilt Chamberlain have fantasy 20,000? :lol:

[26mi235]

Re: how about a fantasy 1200?

In general, the 'incremental lap adds about a minute to the time for a race (e.g., going from 400 to 800, etc.) As a second-order correction, the differential grows slowly with distance so that at the shorter end it adds less than 60 seconds and then goes above 60. This reinforces the aaronk.

I am not sure that all sub-1:45 guys can do it, but many of them could by training for it and racing it at peak levels of fitness. In addition, some 1:45-1:46 'milers' should be able to do it as well, without the speed to hit sub 1:45.

[Marlow]

Re: how about a fantasy 1200?

I've often though a major late-season big meet should go with all 'off' distances - think of all the WR assaults they could hype:

100, with cameras at 40y, 50y/m, 60y/m.
300
600
1200
2000

Short Hurdles with multi-distance cameras
300H (200H en route)

I'd think the hype would be easy to generate.

[booond]

Re: how about a fantasy 1200?

That time (2:45.91) is doable by most anyone who has sub-1:45 (or maybe 1:44) speed.
You go through 800 in 1:50 or 1:51, then kick with a 54.
I would think a time of 2:42 is possible (54, 55, 53), but probably would need to be able to run 800 in 1:42 or faster.

So.....Rudisha?
Symmonds?
Of course, Kiprop or Farah?
Other fast 800 guys, like Kitum, Amos, Aman, Solomon.

The 1200's in DMR's aren't a good barometer......one reason being that relay is run mostly in early season.

The question isn't who could run 2:45 but who would be the best. I would guess it boils down to whether a fit Rudisha can go another lap versus how much faster can Kiprop go when not having to run the full 1500. Who knows who else might be thrown into the mix, though aaronk hits on a few of them but since we know Kiprop can run 2:45 I'd put my money there. As to all-time, certainly Coe and El G have to be in the race. Who else?

[Tuariki]

Re: how about a fantasy 1200?

I've often though a major late-season big meet should go with all 'off' distances - think of all the WR assaults they could hype:

100, with cameras at 40y, 50y/m, 60y/m
.

Must be separate races otherwise the 40m sprint winner doesn't get to win his race because he got passed by the 60m distance runner.

Short Hurdles with multi-distance cameras
300H (200H en route).

Even better, have different size hurdles. Now that would be interesting. :lol:

[LopenUupunut]

Re: how about a fantasy 1200?

The question isn't who could run 2:45 but who would be the best. I would guess it boils down to whether a fit Rudisha can go another lap versus how much faster can Kiprop go when not having to run the full 1500. Who knows who else might be thrown into the mix, though aaronk hits on a few of them but since we know Kiprop can run 2:45 I'd put my money there. As to all-time, certainly Coe and El G have to be in the race. Who else?

Ngeny

[Alan Shank]

Re: how about a fantasy 1200?

Ngeny

Excellent choice -- WR holder at 1000, #4 at 1500.

Since it's a fantasy, how about Rashid Ramzi? Naaaaaaah. Peter Snell. Jim Ryun. Steve Cram.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA, USA

[26mi235]

Re: how about a fantasy 1200?

In his prime, Alan Webb might have done quite well, as his 1:43(?) and 3:46(?) mile are a pretty good combo, and both done within weeks of each other, I think. [pretty interesting that I can no longer remember Webb details completely]

[booond]

Re: how about a fantasy 1200?

In his prime, Alan Webb might have done quite well, as his 1:43(?) and 3:46(?) mile are a pretty good combo, and both done within weeks of each other, I think. [pretty interesting that I can no longer remember Webb details completely]

He came to mind in an All-American version. Dave Wottle?

[pickle47]

Re: how about a fantasy 1200?

Another mark from Rieti!

Also interesting to note that El G ran more than 1.5 secs faster at 1200 in Rieti than he did in Rome, yet finished almost a second behind his WR.

[JumboElliott]

Re: how about a fantasy 1200?

2010/2011 Kaki.

[gh]

Re: how about a fantasy 1200?

when it comes to hall of fame 1200s, I remain a huge fan of Jim Ryun's dirt-track 2:46.6 in his WR of 3:33.1.

Oh yeah, that was the last 1200, not the first.

[26mi235]

Re: how about a fantasy 1200?

Running start, no reaction time lost...