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  • What do you think about extending the track season?

    The last diamond league is in the first week in September. In the northern hemisphere the weather is usually warm(highs above 70) well into October. If you ask me that is alot of time that they are not taking advantage of. I feel there is no real post season after the championships because alot of people back up and ship out for the most part. We have seen a few olympics in late September early October( 1988,2000) so there is no reason that the track season should end before the actually summer ends. I say the last Diamond league should be around Oct 15th and by that time could be somewhere like Atlanta, LA, Jamaica, or Puerto Rico. What do you guys think?

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    Re: What do you think about extending the track season?

    will never happen if for no other reason than TV wouldn't touch it. Come September the Euro soccer leagues are in full swing, and in the U.S., it's football time plus baseball playoffs. (which is why Beijing was held in steamy August rather than their preferred September date: even the OG runs up against a wall in the modern sports scene)

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    • #3
      Re: What do you think about extending the track season?

      Originally posted by gh
      will never happen if for no other reason than TV wouldn't touch it.
      That wouldn't matter much because many countries don't show the DL anyway and if they do show it, its pay tv and/or streamed online, so one more event to show won't matter. But first of all, we do have a post season, it's called Zurich, and often it's better than the major championship. Secondly, why do you need a post season at all? Is there an NFL or NBA post season i am not aware of? Do Vettel and Hamilton meet somewhere to keep driving their F1 cars after the last race? And finally, if you extend the season until mid october, when do you expect athletes to take a break, go on vacation, give their bodies some rest?

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      • #4
        Re: What do you think about extending the track season?

        Originally posted by norunner
        Originally posted by gh
        will never happen if for no other reason than TV wouldn't touch it.
        That wouldn't matter much because many countries don't show the DL anyway and if they do show it, its pay tv and/or streamed online, so one more event to show won't matter. But first of all, we do have a post season, it's called Zurich, and often it's better than the major championship. Secondly, why do you need a post season at all? Is there an NFL or NBA post season i am not aware off? Do Vettel and Hamilton meet somewhere to keep driving their F1 cars after the last race? And finally, if you extend the season until mid october, when do you expect athletes to take a break, go on vacation, give their bodies some rest?
        The playoffs are the post-season for baseball, football, hockey and basketball.

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        • #5
          Re: What do you think about extending the track season?

          I feel like the Diamond league should almost rival whatever championships(world or olys) is being held that year. 10 series of races feels shorts to me. It should be about 20 races or so if places other than Europe( for the most part). If the season extends into Mid October it will give an athlete who was injured early in the season an opportunity to come back strong later on as well as be motivation for those who didnt make their respective championship teams. Why should track and field have to worry about what any sport is doing. The start of the fb season coincides with Baseball post season and it works out fine for everyone. Track and Field needs to start catering to their core audience and let the rest take care of itself. Fly fishing and hunting coincides with almost every season but that doesnt stop the outdoor channel and worthless nbc sports from broadcasting it.

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          • #6
            Re: What do you think about extending the track season?

            Originally posted by run4urlyfe
            I feel like the Diamond league should almost rival whatever championships(world or olys) is being held that year. 10 series of races feels shorts to me. It should be about 20 races or so if places other than Europe( for the most part). If the season extends into Mid October it will give an athlete who was injured early in the season an opportunity to come back strong later on as well as be motivation for those who didnt make their respective championship teams. Why should track and field have to worry about what any sport is doing. The start of the fb season coincides with Baseball post season and it works out fine for everyone. Track and Field needs to start catering to their core audience and let the rest take care of itself. Fly fishing and hunting coincides with almost every season but that doesnt stop the outdoor channel and worthless nbc sports from broadcasting it.
            Your missing the point.....the aim is to make the world champs and try to win it, injuries are part of the game there are plenty of races in season for athletes (esp in europe) to compete in every weekend even some mid week. If an athlete is injured to the extent where they wont be fully fit till September/October they just chill out and prepare to come back even stronger next season this is motivation enough. Extending the season wont make any difference if the championships are around the same times of year, Athletes running in October will have to start winter training later and probably have a hard time making the champs the next year.

            20 Diamond leagues races is insane in my opinion it will devalue the whole competition, the top stars that attract the big crowds wouldnt go to even half. Also you have to remember 20 Diamond league races + nationals + championships+ some who have had indoor seasons is far to much racing.

            In essence some Athletes could have seasons that run from December until October. Where is the recovery time, the time to refocus, time to actually just chill out!

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            • #7
              Not a bad Re: What do you think about extending season?

              Athletes point of view is missing here IMO.

              If the season is May to August (4 months): Athletes prepare themselves for that period.

              If the season is April to September then they adjust IMO. Most elite do not run more than 10-12 events a season and meets will miss big name athletes after championships.

              My suggestion:

              Let's have two or three meets with different events such as 150, 300, 600, 1000/1200, 4000 , Jumps with average two best jumps or in HJ & PV with only two attempts at each height with maximum of 10 jumps. Let's sell it to the online ESPN and Eurosport.

              Did you read open letter in T&F News to IAAF? No prize money for world or meet record is ridiculous and will not stop someone to use illegal means to reach the top.

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              • #8
                Re: What do you think about extending the track season?

                Originally posted by justrunfast
                Your missing the point.....the aim is to make the world champs and try to win it, injuries are part of the game there are plenty of races in season for athletes (esp in europe) to compete in every weekend even some mid week. If an athlete is injured to the extent where they wont be fully fit till September/October they just chill out and prepare to come back even stronger next season this is motivation enough. Extending the season wont make any difference if the championships are around the same times of year, Athletes running in October will have to start winter training later and probably have a hard time making the champs the next year.

                20 Diamond leagues races is insane in my opinion it will devalue the whole competition, the top stars that attract the big crowds wouldnt go to even half. Also you have to remember 20 Diamond league races + nationals + championships+ some who have had indoor seasons is far to much racing.

                In essence some Athletes could have seasons that run from December until October. Where is the recovery time, the time to refocus, time to actually just chill out!

                think this would allow athletes alot of versatility to how they tailor their season. Some athletes start training(and thus racing) earlier/later than others. The majority of athletes start their gpp sometime in mid to late fall. Some however have started as late as early spring like Lolo Jones this year or Tyson Gay 2012 who hadnt been on a track until about April. While I think the champs/olys are always going to be the highlight of the season the lure of a championship bye upon winning the diamond league could be motivation to run well after worlds/olys. Of course an athlete isnt going to want to run all 20 or so but that will give every athlete more chances. Of course right now I am thinking strongly as a fan. When you think about it track season is really only about 3 months from the start of the diamond league till the end and to make it worse mostly all the events are uncovered. Think of the utopia if track was like college football.you turn on the tv on saturday and dont know which channel to watch. Maybe my suggestion is towards the extreme ends but they can at least move a little bit in my direction.

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                • #9
                  Re: Not a bad Re: What do you think about extending season

                  Originally posted by GHM
                  Athletes point of view is missing here IMO.

                  If the season is May to August (4 months): Athletes prepare themselves for that period.

                  If the season is April to September then they adjust IMO. Most elite do not run more than 10-12 events a season and meets will miss big name athletes after championships.

                  My suggestion:

                  Let's have two or three meets with different events such as 150, 300, 600, 1000/1200, 4000 , Jumps with average two best jumps or in HJ & PV with only two attempts at each height with maximum of 10 jumps. Let's sell it to the online ESPN and Eurosport.

                  Did you read open letter in T&F News to IAAF? No prize money for world or meet record is ridiculous and will not stop someone to use illegal means to reach the top.

                  I dont think Athletes prepare for the season down to the day or even the week but a general timeframe. I like the idea of non traditional events diamond leagues but what effect would that have in the grand scheme of things???

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                  • #10
                    Re: What do you think about extending the track season?

                    Absolutely!!!
                    Extend it year-round!
                    Those who say "athletes need down/rest time", that doesn't include ALL athletes.
                    Some athletes LIKE competing year-round...and race Down Under during the USA "off-season".....or for distance runners (5K/10K), run road races, up to and including marathons.

                    Provide a meet, and the athletes will come.
                    (Sounds like "Field of Dreams"!!)
                    Doesn't have to be everybody, or the top elites.....but give athletes who WANT to compete the meets to do so.
                    No DL's......or maybe 2 or 3 more......and yes, in the United States....where there's now just 2.
                    But "independent" meets, where rarely run races can be offered......like more 10K's, more two milers, and anything the DL meets DON'T have!!

                    Also, extend the indoor season!!
                    (Actually, RE-build it......closer to what it WAS......with more meets.....but NO oversize tracks!!! They should be used for TRAINING ONLY, not for meets!!)
                    Again, not everybody would compete in these meets.
                    But more athletes would compete......so you'd see lots more different faces, instead of the same old, same old EVERY meet!! Give everybody a chance!!

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                    • #11
                      Re: What do you think about extending the track season?

                      The market bears what the market bears. If there were demand (i.e., promoters felt there'd be a good return on their investment) for T&F into Oct, it would be there. There is not.

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                      • #12
                        Re: What do you think about extending the track season?

                        I would like the DL to be extended a bit further to maybe 15 meets, maybe throw in Berlin, Moscow, Barcelona and a few other places. Maybe an extra one in the UK (Sheffield? Gateshead?) or even have a roaming destination.

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                        • #13
                          Re: What do you think about extending the track season?

                          Originally posted by Marlow
                          The market bears what the market bears. If there were demand (i.e., promoters felt there'd be a good return on their investment) for T&F into Oct, it would be there. There is not.
                          Yes, emphatically so. Each of us can come up with at least 100 "good ideas" that strangely, in the real world, turn into irrelevant money-losers.

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                          • #14
                            Re: What do you think about extending the track season?

                            Originally posted by kuha
                            Originally posted by Marlow
                            The market bears what the market bears. If there were demand (i.e., promoters felt there'd be a good return on their investment) for T&F into Oct, it would be there. There is not.
                            Yes, emphatically so. Each of us can come up with at least 100 "good ideas" that strangely, in the real world, turn into irrelevant money-losers.
                            exactly this

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                            • #15
                              Re: What do you think about extending the track season?

                              So it's "money talks, and more track walks"??
                              Who needs money?? (More than maybe a few hundred bucks for basics!)

                              Aren't college and high school tracks pretty much empty during the fall and early winter??
                              Couldn't an arrangement be made to have use of a track for a few hours once a week for a couple of months??
                              And the meets don't need TV or national coverage!
                              (Which meets get that now anyway....except the DL's and Penn??)
                              Maybe an organizer can get local newspaper coverage.
                              And the meet doesn't need to be a FULL meet!!
                              In fact, have more specialized meets, like the throwers or jumpers or distance events meets.
                              Oxy and Re-RUN and PTF were pretty successful meets, and didn't go on all day and all night!!

                              Again, as I said earlier, there ARE athletes who like competing more than 4 months out of the year.....even if not as often as during the spring and summer!

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