Mo and all-time 1500-10K scoring

[DrJay]

http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index. ... arId=89543

How 'bout someone with more time than I have this week looking at the IAAF tables and telling us what Mo would have to do in the 3K, 5K and 10K to overtake KB. I suspect he could do it, just guesstimating.

[aaronk]

Re: Mo and all-time 1500-10K scoring

http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index.php/display-article?arId=89543

How 'bout someone with more time than I have this week looking at the IAAF tables and telling us what Mo would have to do in the 3K, 5K and 10K to overtake KB. I suspect he could do it, just guesstimating.

Not me!
Why?
Because I totally disagree with the idea of assigning points for times run!

In my T&F Record Book, I have several lists of "combined events" athletes.
But in place of assigning points, I just ADD THE TIMES.....and VOILA, you have the "fastest ever combo" whatever's!!
My combo groups are:
100-200
100-200-400
400-800
800-1500
1500-5000
1 mile-2 mile
1500-3000
3000-3000SC
3000-5000-10000
5000-10000
110H/100H-400H
400-400H
I do NOT have a combo list for the FOUR events, the 1500-3000-5000-10000....yet!!
But if I did, I would just ADD THE TIMES!!!

BTW, that would take Daniel Komen, he of the WR 3K, completely OFF any list I had!!
Why?
Look at his VERY slow 10K time, about a full minute slower than the rest!

I know I'm a lone voice in the wilderness on this (as I am on SEVERAL fronts!!!), but I see adding times as being the way to score the best (i.e. FASTEST!) combo runners!!
The only place where point tables should be used are in the multi's!!

[gh]

Re: Mo and all-time 1500-10K scoring

adding times is pointless. rewards better marks at longer distances disproportionately.

[Alan Shank]

Re: Mo and all-time 1500-10K scoring

If Farah ran 7:27, 12:45 and 26:35, just to use round numbers, he would have 5061, right in the same ballpark as Bekele and Geb.

Note that Komen did not contest any 10,000s during his peak seasons; his PR is from 2002. A 27:00 would give him over 5100 points.

Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA, USA

[Alan Shank]

Re: Mo and all-time 1500-10K scoring

adding times is pointless. rewards better marks at longer distances disproportionately.

I agree (consider the source), but note that that's exactly how the Boston AA Distance Medley ranks the runners, giving $NZ125,000 to the man and woman with the best total times from a 5K, 10K and half marathon (referred to in the article on Kim Smith linked from the front page). Silly. Smith leads after the 5 and 10 by a minute, eleven seconds, but that's just 1.7% of a 70-minute half.
Cheer,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA, USA

[dj]

Re: Mo and all-time 1500-10K scoring

I know I'm a lone voice in the wilderness on this (as I am on SEVERAL fronts!!!), but I see adding times as being the way to score the best (i.e. FASTEST!) combo runners!!
The only place where point tables should be used are in the multi's!!

If you're merely adding times for multiple running events, there's no reason you can't do combined events the same way. Add total height/distance in feet and subtract time in seconds. Would work perfectly: the better the field eventer the greater the points totaled, the better the runner the fewer the deductions.

Would be just as simplistic as adding times for races.

[26mi235]

Re: Mo and all-time 1500-10K scoring

If you want to avoid the points, you could take several different statistics. Average speed, and average seconds per km (similar but not identical) would seem the most logical. However, since, as a first approximation pace is a function of log distance you will favor either the short of the long race in doing so. So you could take the average of the logs of the metrics. So, Aaron, do you want those metrics?

[DrJay]

Re: Mo and all-time 1500-10K scoring

Well Komen could have made this so much more whacking off than it already is had he just cruised a 26:40. Which he could have.

[Alan Shank]

Re: Mo and all-time 1500-10K scoring

Well Komen could have made this so much more whacking off than it already is had he just cruised a 26:40. Which he could have.

Yes, I think so.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA, USA

[Tuariki]

Re: Mo and all-time 1500-10K scoring

To equal the ones ahead of him Farah needs the following times:
7:27.43 - - Komen
7:17.55 - - Geb
7:16.94 - - Bekele

Should be able to move into 3rd

[lionelp1]

Re: Mo and all-time 1500-10K scoring

Mo does not give a toss for all this stuff; he is only interested in winning his races. He has little or no concern with all the posts about statistics and rightly so. Its all about winning . He is going to be deep in to road and marathon running soon enough and the 5K and the 1500m will be a happy memory. His record will never equal Bekele and Geb's achievements but who cares?

[Tuariki]

Re: Mo and all-time 1500-10K scoring

Mo does not give a toss for all this stuff; he is only interested in winning his races. He has little or no concern with all the posts about statistics and rightly so. Its all about winning . He is going to be deep in to road and marathon running soon enough and the 5K and the 1500m will be a happy memory. His record will never equal Bekele and Geb's achievements but who cares?

Never say never. 2 weeks ago there would have many people forecasting a 3:28 for Farah. Who knows maybe the 3:28 is the start of a golden month of times for Farah. Lets hope so.

[gibson]

Re: Mo and all-time 1500-10K scoring

it really is a no brainer to say that mo can go near the world records in 3-5-10k now with correct pacing. given 10k champ endurance with 328 speed.

3k at 7:22
5k at 12:40
10k at 26:25

are not a stretch at all.

i'd expect mo to chase a record or two after the champs.

[gh]

Re: Mo and all-time 1500-10K scoring

Mo does not give a toss for all this stuff; ...

Alberto Salazar on the other hand..

[18.99s]

Re: Mo and all-time 1500-10K scoring

Never say never. 2 weeks ago there would have many people forecasting a 3:28 for Farah. Who knows maybe the 3:28 is the start of a golden month of times for Farah. Lets hope so.

Did you mean "there would NOT have been"?