¶2013 WC—mHJ: Bondarenko 7-10¾ (2.41) (WL=)

[Marlow]

Re: ¶2013 WC—mHJ: Bondarenko 7-10¾ (2.41) (WL=)

Minimal speed loss compared to many double-arm take-off jumpers.

This aspect of the HJ and TJ fascinates me. Do Taylor and Claye lose speed at take-off? Do the big double-arm HJers really lose speed? It doesn't look like it, but perspiring minds want to know. I'm a big double-arm advocate, but I need to know if the science backs it up too. In my coaching courses, I never get a clear answer. (Controllable) Speed at take-off is so important.

[Dietmar239]

Re: ¶2013 WC—mHJ: Bondarenko 7-10¾ (2.41) (WL=)

Minimal speed loss compared to many double-arm take-off jumpers.

This aspect of the HJ and TJ fascinates me. Do Taylor and Claye lose speed at take-off? Do the big double-arm HJers really lose speed? It doesn't look like it, but perspiring minds want to know. I'm a big double-arm advocate, but I need to know if the science backs it up too. In my coaching courses, I never get a clear answer. (Controllable) Speed at take-off is so important.

Some are able to maintain their speed fairly well despite the double arm lift. Sjoberg and Sotomayor come to mind. Then there are some one-arm jumpers that learned to crush the plant without an overabundance of speed. Pakin was a good example of this. He wasn't as fast as some (at least to the eye), but his lead leg staying bent and thrusted powerfully, enabled him to convert well to the vertical. Point is, none of the elite are purely extreme in either regard. As Suso mentioned, most blend styles a bit.

Bondarenko is a bit of a hybrid. He uses double arm lift, like Soto, Sjoberg and many others but during the layout he use one arm trajectory like Mogenburg or Jimmy Howard. However, as we all know, the run up is the most important part of the high jump. His speed, all the way thru the penultimate step, is likely the prime factor in his 2.41+ skills.

[JRM]

Re: ¶2013 WC—mHJ: Bondarenko 7-10¾ (2.41) (WL=)

Im a litle tired to hear to some athletes to tell that they are injuried when they gets amazing things.

Well, it's certainly better than their fans making up injuries (or "wet tracks") to justify perceived-sub-par performances.

[Per Andersen]

Re: ¶2013 WC—mHJ: Bondarenko 7-10¾ (2.41) (WL=)

I forgot to mention that the "slower and lower" technique also goes usually together with stronger (i.e., "double") arm actions, and wider path of the lead leg.

If you go to extremes of either super-fast and very high, or very slow and super low you will have problems. You need a compromise between these two extremes. Just where exactly depends on the individual.

Holm, of course, was unique. Very fast but also quite low compared to Barshim and Bondarenko.
But his inside arm was already raised at take-off and his outside arm was only jerked upwards to about mid chest.

[26mi235]

Re: ¶2013 WC—mHJ: Bondarenko 7-10¾ (2.41) (WL=)

I want to say that reading this thread is a bit like reading the threads for the multi-events; and that is meant a a very high compliment. There are so many contributors here that really have things to say and do so without acrimony. Thank you! For some reason, I got burned out just after the multis during this WC; this is helping me get my T&F equilibrium back.

[bobguild76]

Re: ¶2013 WC—mHJ: Bondarenko 7-10¾ (2.41) (WL=)

I want to say that reading this thread is a bit like reading the threads for the multi-events; and that is meant a a very high compliment. There are so many contributors here that really have things to say and do so without acrimony. Thank you! For some reason, I got burned out just after the multis during this WC; this is helping me get my T&F equilibrium back.

Same here. Well said.

[uakari]

Re: ¶2013 WC—mHJ: Bondarenko 7-10¾ (2.41) (WL=)

i still don't get his passing on 2.44. at that point, he ws behind barshim, and had the youngster cleared 2.44, what would he jump then? bondar. would have to break the WR to win this...

[Per Andersen]

Re: ¶2013 WC—mHJ: Bondarenko 7-10¾ (2.41) (WL=)

i still don't get his passing on 2.44. at that point, he ws behind barshim, and had the youngster cleared 2.44, what would he jump then? bondar. would have to break the WR to win this...

I think his passing on 2.38 was a bigger gamble. Besides, Barshim had a miss on 2.41 before passing so the chances for Barshim clearing 2.44 were not that great.

There were also ideal conditions so Bondarenko decided it was worth it going for an all time WR in the HJ during a World Championship.

[Marlow]

Re: ¶2013 WC—mHJ: Bondarenko 7-10¾ (2.41) (WL=)

Drouin said that after he cleared 2.38 (new Canadian record) and was in the medals he needed to re-focus and felt he was not close at 2.41 but he still felt it gave him confidence that 2.41 was doable for him.
Why should we doubt Bondarenko when he said he was in pain and did not want too many jumps?
From what I understand he's not sure he can or will compete more this year.

Interesting Drouin article on home-page. Excerpt:

Ukhov hardly jumped, or did much exercise at all, for months after winning Olympic gold.
Bondarenko had just ONE jumping training session all year.
Drouin spends just as much time hurdling, shot putting and long jumping as he does high jumping. “I refrain from doing repetitive motions all the time and this has helped me not to get hurt. By practising the other events I can translate that speed to takeoff and my entire body is always active and getting a good workout. I can’t foresee changing this approach any time soon.” In 2013, he regularly competed in the 60m hurdles (PB 7.98) and 110m hurdles (PB 14.04)

[user4]

Re: ¶2013 WC—mHJ: Bondarenko 7-10¾ (2.41) (WL=)

i still don't get his passing on 2.44. at that point, he ws behind barshim, and had the youngster cleared 2.44, what would he jump then? bondar. would have to break the WR to win this...

uakari nails it .. I really think there is allot of bluff in the Ukrainian. He is a great jumper dont get me wrong but I have never seen him jump in a way that made me think the WR was within reach.... that was not the case with Ukhov, who really did get off the ground in a way that made 2.45 seem doable. Is it possible that Barshim has more potential for 2.45 than Bondar.

[Per Andersen]

Re: ¶2013 WC—mHJ: Bondarenko 7-10¾ (2.41) (WL=)

i still don't get his passing on 2.44. at that point, he ws behind barshim, and had the youngster cleared 2.44, what would he jump then? bondar. would have to break the WR to win this...

uakari nails it .. I really think there is allot of bluff in the Ukrainian. He is a great jumper dont get me wrong but I have never seen him jump in a way that made me think the WR was within reach.... that was not the case with Ukhov, who really did get off the ground in a way that made 2.45 seem doable. Is it possible that Barshim has more potential for 2.45 than Bondar.

I don't get this. Did Bondarenko bluff his way over 2.41, twice? He was better in 2013 than Ukhov ever was. Bondarenko is very different from ukhov. Bondarenko rotates better while Ukhov lets his legs hang down before he starts un-arching. I prefer Bondarenko's technique. Ukhov has only cleared 2.40 once, a couple of years ago indoors, never outdoors.
I'm not ruling out Ukhov but he regressed from 2012, has been at it for a long time so he might simply have stagnated now. He will be 28 next year. Barshim more potential than Bondarenko?
Who can tell at this time?

Uakari was wrong when he wrote that Bondarenko was behind Barshim when the bar went to 2.44. Bondarenko was leading having cleared 2.41 while Barshim did not clear, had one miss and then passed to 2.44 where he had only 2 attempts on a height 4cms over his PB. Thus not an outrageous pass by Bondarenko on 2.44.