Glenn Mills vs Stephen Francis who is the best in Jamaica?

[fasttrak85]

On the surface this might seem like an easy pick. Glenn Mills has probably produced from his Racers stable two of the best sprinters of all time in Bolt and Blake who are respectively the first and second fastest at both 100 and 200 meters. On the flip side almost all the other home raised notable talent comes out of Francis MVP club. Between Shelly Ann Frase Pryce, Nesta Carter, Asafa Powell, Sherone Simpson, Shericka Wiliams, Stephanie Mcpherson, Kaleise Spencer, notable past members( Bridgette Foster Hylton, Melaine Walker, Michael Frater) and those who are up and coming( Carrie Russell especially) it seems Francis has actually produced the majority of Jamaica's talent. Extra points also go to Francis for working well with both genders and a wider range of events while Mills seems to only work well with Men from 100-200. Taking all the facts into consideration(feel free to point out anything I haven't) who can say they have the best stable?

BTW i was tempted to add Lance Brauman as an honorary Jamaican coach seeing that he coaches a large share of Jamaicas athletes and is a staple at both champs(to recruit) and Jamaicas National Championships and Oly Trials to watch his many athletes try to make the team. However it might be too distracting and I dont think his case was strong enough either way.

[ChuiTai]

Re: Glenn Mills vs Stephen Francis who is the best in Jamaic

My opinion would be Stephen Francis. Diversification with events and consistent development throughout would seem to favor here. Whether a choice or not, isn't particularly surrounded by what some might identify as world class training facility. On the other hand, with MVP's processes, how different would his athletes result coming from working in an environment such as a USOC Training Center, for example?

[toyracer]

Re: Glenn Mills vs Stephen Francis who is the best in Jamaic

If I remember correctly, Francis also coached Germaine Mason, Olympic silver medallist in the high jump. Francis definitely seems to hold the edge in terms of results produced from diverse disciplines with both genders.

[dustoff]

Re: Glenn Mills vs Stephen Francis who is the best in Jamaic

Bolt and Blake were formidable before ever going to Mills. Sub 10 and 10flat respectively. Stephen Francis has coached more athletes in a far wider variety of events without them having done a thing before coming to him.

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[athleticshushmail]

Re: Glenn Mills vs Stephen Francis who is the best in Jamaic

Whether a choice or not, isn't particularly surrounded by what some might identify as world class training facility. On the other hand, with MVP's processes, how different would his athletes result coming from working in an environment such as a USOC Training Center, for example?

According to Francis, they would be worse if they trained at a USOC training center, I really enjoyed this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP7BNH77C00

For good measure, here's an additional clip of Glen Mills on the secret of his success. The main thing I got from this video was a better understanding of why some of his athletes have been caught doping:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-41xfXoptI

I like Glen Mills better, but have to admit that Francis has the more distinguished resume. But the job Racers did with Warren Weir, you can't overlook that.

[ChuiTai]

Re: Glenn Mills vs Stephen Francis who is the best in Jamaic

Whether a choice or not, isn't particularly surrounded by what some might identify as world class training facility. On the other hand, with MVP's processes, how different would his athletes result coming from working in an environment such as a USOC Training Center, for example?

According to Francis, they would be worse if they trained at a USOC training center, I really enjoyed this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP7BNH77C00

I'm certainly familiar with his thinking here. And with the larger order of things I would perhaps agree. Though with the more external skill elements required (e.g., hurdles, jumps and what-not) I could imagine even him taking advantage of such a facility. To say nothing of measurement tools and enhanced recovery stations.

And then there might be the possible growth aspect as a coach in some of these activities as well. Though one can't complain with the success he has enjoyed to-date with his support features.

[toyracer]

Re: Glenn Mills vs Stephen Francis who is the best in Jamaic

For good measure, here's an additional clip of Glen Mills on the secret of his success. The main thing I got from this video was a better understanding of why some of his athletes have been caught doping:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-41xfXoptI

I'm lost. I didn't hear anything in that clip that would be indicative of why some Mills-coached athletes have returned AAF's in the past.

[18.99s]

Re: Glenn Mills vs Stephen Francis who is the best in Jamaic

Bolt and Blake were formidable before ever going to Mills. Sub 10 and 10flat respectively.

Bolt didn't run sub-10 until 2008, by which time he was already training with Mills for over a year. And Blake's best before Mills 10.11.

However, I agree that both were already impressive before Mills, with Bolt running sub-20 in the 200m at 17 and Blake running 10.11 also at 17.

[ATK]

Re: Glenn Mills vs Stephen Francis who is the best in Jamaic

Bolt and Blake were formidable before ever going to Mills. Sub 10 and 10flat respectively.

Bolt didn't run sub-10 until 2008, by which time he was already training with Mills for over a year. And Blake's best before Mills 10.11.

However, I agree that both were already impressive before Mills, with Bolt running sub-20 in the 200m at 17 and Blake running 10.11 also at 17.

I thought Bolt was with Mills since about 2005...

[toyracer]

Re: Glenn Mills vs Stephen Francis who is the best in Jamaic

I thought Bolt was with Mills since about 2005...

That is correct.

[Blues]

Re: Glenn Mills vs Stephen Francis who is the best in Jamaic

I thought Bolt was with Mills since about 2005...

That is correct.

Bolt sought out Mills as a coach after the 2004 Athens Olympics. Coach Mills' training philosophies and techniques are directly responsible for Usain's impressive increase in body strength and musculature after the 2007 season, and the corresponding amazing sprint performances and improvements from that point on.

But in support of Coach Francis, he was directly responsible for SAFP's rise from a mediocre elite sprinter with a PB of 11.31 in 2007, to Olympic Champ at 10.78 in 2008. He coached her to a new PR of 11.28 on May 25th, 2008, and then to Olympic gold in 10.78 less than 3 months later. That's pretty impressive.

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I meant to type sub 20, not sure why I typed sub 10. Sub 20 for Bolt, 10 flat for Blake. Sub 20 is far more impressive anyway.

Unfortunately, the rest of the post has been cut.

Francis has a much better breadth and body of work, IMO.

[NormZylstra]

Re: Glenn Mills vs Stephen Francis who is the best in Jamaic

Bolt and Blake were formidable before ever going to Mills. Sub-10 and 10-flat respectively.

Bolt didn't run sub-10 until 2008, by which time he was already training with Mills for over a year. And Blake's best before Mills 10.11. However, I agree that both were already impressive before Mills, with Bolt running sub-20 in the 200m at 17 and Blake running 10.11 also at 17.

I thought Bolt was with Mills since about 2005...

Who did Bolt train with pre-2005?

[ATK]

Re: Glenn Mills vs Stephen Francis who is the best in Jamaic

Bolt and Blake were formidable before ever going to Mills. Sub-10 and 10-flat respectively.

Bolt didn't run sub-10 until 2008, by which time he was already training with Mills for over a year. And Blake's best before Mills 10.11. However, I agree that both were already impressive before Mills, with Bolt running sub-20 in the 200m at 17 and Blake running 10.11 also at 17.

I thought Bolt was with Mills since about 2005...

Who did Bolt train with pre-2005?

Fitz Coleman

[athleticshushmail]

Re: Glenn Mills vs Stephen Francis who is the best in Jamaic

For good measure, here's an additional clip of Glen Mills on the secret of his success. The main thing I got from this video was a better understanding of why some of his athletes have been caught doping:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-41xfXoptI

I'm lost. I didn't hear anything in that clip that would be indicative of why some Mills-coached athletes have returned AAF's in the past.

He looked high to me, haha