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  • "Honest effort" rule at heart of appeal

    http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/gv_other_sp ... 84,00.html

    UT appeals Lambert's disqualification
    By MIKE STRANGE, [email protected]
    June 2, 2004

    Sean Lambert and Tennessee tried to do the right thing. Barring a successful appeal, it's going to turn out all wrong.

    Lambert, the Vols' track captain and a two-time scorer in the NCAA 100 meters, was disqualified at the Mideast Region meet last weekend after a confusing interpretation of rules involving injuries.

    (continued at above link - registration required to read)

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    Not related at all, but here is a quote from Steve Manz from Michigan State who competed in the shot put at the Mideast Regionals:

    "The meet had some bigger dissappointments. Three shot putters, a long jumper, and probably a couple other athletes were not allowed to compete for failing to check in before the competition. This was very confusing as we checked in inside and then checked in outside 45 min prior to the first flight. After being escorted out to check in I was then escorted back inside to wait for my flight. Ryan Ketchum from Indiana was in the 4th flight with me (which started about 2 and a half hours after I went out to check in). During the confusion, Ryan and some other athletes were not allowed to compete because they hadn't checked in outside (which they were not aware of). So even though he was out there ready to compete, they would not let him."

    http://www.trackshark.com/journals/2004/steve_manz6.php

    It doesn't seem like the officials/athletes/coaches were on the same page at all.

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    • #3
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      (continued at above
      >link - registration required to read)

      Would you mind bottom lining it for those of us who don't want to register. It isn't on google-at least not yet.

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      • #4
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        Any event or system that requires an "honest effort" rule is badly flawed. Imagine offering free passes to top seeds in football or basketball playoffs (sports where the injury risk is probably far greater than ours) as long as they'll give "honest effort" in the early rounds. If we really want the regional meets to mean something and to be exciting, they need to be do-or-die. If not, then scrap them and go back to time qualifying.
        "Run fast and keep turning left."

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        • #5
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          You couldn't have said it any better. Change the way it's done or go back to the way it was. The way it is now, no one can agree upon what an honest effort is and that shouldn't be what determines who or who doesn't go to the national meet in these cases. It should be who finishes in the top 5 or whatever number you wish to use.

          The problem is, if we do go by that notion, there will always be weaker regions in certain events, such as the west in the sprinting events. Then you run into the problem of "how can you let a 10.45 runner out of so-and-so region when my athlete ran 10.23 and was shut out."

          Just imagine what the average fan is going through right now. Why should they care to follow the sport at the collegiate level when it's so difficult to comprehend the rules of qualifying for the big show?

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          • #6
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            If they get enough balls to go by place only, the right way IMHO, then the weaker regions will eventually even out the playing field. Kids will look and see that going to that eastern school as a sprinter will give them an easier shot to advance through the rounds and make Nats. It'll take a few years, but all the events will get pretty close to one another and parity will ensue between the regions and performances will increase within each of them.

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            • #7
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              >The problem is, if we do go by that notion, there will
              >always be weaker regions in certain events, such as the west in the sprinting
              >events. Then you run into the problem of "how can you let a 10.45 runner out
              >of so-and-so region when my athlete ran 10.23 and was shut out."

              My reply to that: The Texas high school championships. Texas, like NCAA, is divided into four regions; top 2 in each make it to state, everyone else stays home. Yes, it has its flaws, but would anyone really argue that the Texas state meet is not damned exciting? If they would, then they're mighty hard to please. And you know what? The regional meets are incredibly exciting as well. As are the district meets that qualify one for regionals.

              Do-or-die: it works for the NFL playoffs, it works for the NCAA basketball tournament, it can work for track.
              "Run fast and keep turning left."

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              • #8
                MJD...

                I was a little confused myself, which is why I posted here hoping somebody could explain/elaborate.

                From what I can tell, Sean Lambert (Tennessee sprinter), ran well on Friday at the Regional. Did well on the 4x1 team and ran 10.22 in the 100 prelims.

                After the 100, Lambert's hamstring tightened up. After medical examinations and with approval of the meet referee, Lambert scratched the 200 prelim, which was also competed on Friday. He could have gone up to the line and false-started intentionally if he thought he would need to in order to remain eligible, but he was under the impression that he could remain eligible in the other events. And it would not be "honest" to go up there, knowing you were not going to give an "honest effort" in the race.

                On Saturday, he felt good enough to run the 100 and 4x1. But the officials told him that he had been disqualified from the meet (and therefore the national meet) because he scratched the 200.

                Knoxville paper writes:

                "We knew when he didn't go to the line, that was going to be it for the 200,'' [Tenn. coach Bill] Webb said. "But how does that disqualify him from running the relay and the 100 finals?

                "It seems we're making up the rules as we go.''

                Lambert's 10.22 time is good enough to merit an at-large invitation, were he not disqualified.

                I tend to believe Lambert's version of the story, because he would have no reason not to want to run in the 200, I don't think. Especially if it was going to cost him the chance to run at the NCAAs. I don't say this because I'm a fan. I've gotten on us plenty of times on here.

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                • #9
                  Re: MJD...

                  The late (and former Arkansas Razorback) Dan Gabor won the CA State Meet 800m title in 1987 after running a heat of the 1,600m in the state trials, qualifying, then running his 800m heat. Dan scratched the 1,600m for the 800m final. Was there an athlete who did not make the 1,600m final as a result?

                  Perhaps other posters have stories of people who got around the honest-effort rules. Honestly, however, more effort needs to be made to ensure the rules are legitimate by strictly following them - rather than leaving them open to chance or loose interpretation on a case-by-case basis.

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                  • #10
                    Lambet cleared for 4X1

                    http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/gv_other_sp ... 77,00.html

                    Sean Lambert's injury disqualification at last weekend's NCAA Mideast Regional has been partially overturned.

                    The NCAA track and field committee has given Lambert the OK to compete as part of Tennessee's 4x100-meter relay team at the NCAA Outdoor Track and Field Championships starting Wednesday in Austin, Texas. However, the committee did not allow Lambert to run in the 100.

                    (continued at link) :-)

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                    • #11
                      Lambert denied

                      Tennessee sprinter Sean Lambert will not be allowed to compete in the 100-meter dash, the NCAA's championship cabinet ruled. The cabinet holds the ultimate decision-making authority on the matter.

                      The championship cabinet upheld the decision by the NCAA track and field committee. That committee ruled Lambert can compete in the 4x100 relay this week but not the 100.

                      The dispute arose when Lambert qualified for the NCAA Mideast Regional finals in both the 100 and 4x100 relay. On the advice of an independent physician, Lambert scratched from the 200 prelims that night after experiencing painful hamstring problems. Because he scratched from the 200, Lambert was disqualified from the rest of that meet and the NCAA championships, citing the "honest effort" rule.

                      However, the NCAA track and field committee later agreed Lambert should be allowed to run the relay.

                      (More at govols.com )

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