US distance corps gets younger...and faster

[aaronk]

Re: US distance corps gets younger...and faster

Too early (for me) to make 2014 T&F predictions, but I think Efraimson is a potential Mary Cain....or close to it!
Her combination of speed (4:16 1500 & win in 4:19 earlier in year) and endurance (her Dellinger win and CR at WA State meet at 5K) tells me she might be ready for HUGE breakthroughs in 2014.

Maybe sub-4:10 at 1500 and sub 16:00 for 5K.

If healthy, Wesley Frazier is another ready to explode into Cain territory.
She tripled at NBN, and had great kicks!!
Also won Adidas Dream Mile.
Again, if healthy, she might run sub-15:30 and 4:10-4:30 (1500/mile) in the spring.

Sarah Baxter runs more steady pace--no real kick.
Might be best at 5K-10K.

Elise Cranny has similar potential to Efraimson and Frazier.
And lots of others (Jenks, DiBalsi, Long etc etc) could make 2014 best year ever for DEPTH in female HS distance running!!

Can't wait for track to begin!!

[dj]

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The secret of the abundance of course records could be due partly to the change in course measuring rules for high schools. Starting last year, courses were measured along the shortest route available to runners. Before that, they were measured along the middle of the course, which means that old courses were short by current standards.

I have no idea whether many courses were remeasured, nor which ones, and I suspect many had previously been measured by current standards if they were also used for collegiate races. But if a course were remeasured, I would assume records were established last year for the first time on the longer courses and the old records were thrown out. If so, that could account for a lot of the new records this year.

[26mi235]

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And the young ones are WINNING some big races!

Finn won Big 10.

Not the only freshman to win Big Tens this year...

[exdrake]

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Wesley Frazier is no longer in high school fyi

[TN1965]

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While Hannah Long won the state Class 4 title in a new CR, she is not even the fasted runner in her state. That title belongs to Taylor Werner in Class 3, who is only a sophomore.

[aaronk]

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Wesley Frazier is no longer in high school fyi

Yes, I knew that.
Check out my first post on this thread.....
It says....."Also, in Collegiate cross, some of the younger ones (frosh and sophs)......."

That covers people like Finn, Frazier, Leingang, Saarel, etc.

[Dutra5]

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How does Cheserek qualify as a part of the "US distance corps" when he's from the Rift Valley of Kenya?

He's not a US citizen??
Guess I just assumed he was, being he attended a US high school.
So will he return to Kenya after he graduates (or when he turns pro, whichever comes first!!)?
Or will he be like Bernard Lagat, who remained here and became a citizen?

I think a better comp might be either Meb or Abdi.

[tandfman]

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I'm not in favor of MEGA-mileage at an early age . . .

So I guess you weren't pleased by the news that a 5-year old boy ran a half marathon the other day.

If he ran with his parents at an easy pace - not a problem. When I was little , I ran for hours on any given Saturday.

OK, how about a 1-year old running a full marathon?

http://www.runnersworld.com/fun/1-year- ... s-marathon

I certainly hope this a spoof.

[lonewolf]

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I call male bovine feces ... and terrrible photoshop..

[26mi235]

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Wesley Frazier is no longer in high school fyi

Yes, I knew that.
Check out my first post on this thread.....
It says....."Also, in Collegiate cross, some of the younger ones (frosh and sophs)......."

That covers people like Finn, Frazier, Leingang, Saarel, etc.

Is a heck of a basketball player at Florida.

[no one]

Re: US distance corps gets younger...and faster

The secret of the abundance of course records could be due partly to the change in course measuring rules for high schools. Starting last year, courses were measured along the shortest route available to runners. Before that, they were measured along the middle of the course, which means that old courses were short by current standards.

I have no idea whether many courses were remeasured, nor which ones, and I suspect many had previously been measured by current standards if they were also used for collegiate races. But if a course were remeasured, I would assume records were established last year for the first time on the longer courses and the old records were thrown out. If so, that could account for a lot of the new records this year.

If I'm understanding the above - I would say "remeasuring" a course, if it is the identical course to the previous, would not produce faster or slower times as the runners would essentially run the course the same way as always, likely the tangents. So times would remain a constant but the ave per mile or other stats would shift. Ostensibly the running of the race would not have changed, no? (no change to actual distance, actual times- the only thing that changes is the measured distance) ... am I missing something? The reestablishment of records would essentially be a paper shuffle and fundamentally have little /no meaning.

[Bruce Kritzler]

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Is a heck of a basketball player at Florida.

But not good enough to beat Wisconsin single-handed.

[DrJay]

Re: US distance corps gets younger...and faster

The secret of the abundance of course records could be due partly to the change in course measuring rules for high schools. Starting last year, courses were measured along the shortest route available to runners. Before that, they were measured along the middle of the course, which means that old courses were short by current standards.

I have no idea whether many courses were remeasured, nor which ones, and I suspect many had previously been measured by current standards if they were also used for collegiate races. But if a course were remeasured, I would assume records were established last year for the first time on the longer courses and the old records were thrown out. If so, that could account for a lot of the new records this year.

If I'm understanding the above - I would say "remeasuring" a course, if it is the identical course to the previous, would not produce faster or slower times as the runners would essentially run the course the same way as always, likely the tangents. So times would remain a constant but the ave per mile or other stats would shift. Ostensibly the running of the race would not have changed, no? (no change to actual distance, actual times- the only thing that changes is the measured distance) ... am I missing something? The reestablishment of records would essentially be a paper shuffle and fundamentally have little /no meaning.

I suspect dj could have said "remeasuring and adjusting." Under the new measuring technique he described, a course formerly measured at 5000m down the middle might check in at, say, 4900m via the tangents. Presumably they would move the start and finish lines 100m further away from each other to yield a 5000m course. The runners would still run the tangents, but would run 100m further. So in reality, times should be slower, but to acknowledge it as a "new" course, they'd throw out the old record and call the best time the new course record.

[26mi235]

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Is a heck of a basketball player at Florida.

But not good enough to beat Wisconsin single-handed.

Yes, but for an opener on the road, with several players not in the game (some for not necessarily kosher reasons...) indicates that they would likely have won the game if at full strength.

[Dutra5]

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Wesley Frazier is no longer in high school fyi

Yes, I knew that.
Check out my first post on this thread.....
It says....."Also, in Collegiate cross, some of the younger ones (frosh and sophs)......."

That covers people like Finn, Frazier, Leingang, Saarel, etc.

Is a heck of a basketball player at Florida.

I think you mean Michael Frazier