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  • Women´s shot put will die

    Due to the disappearance of the message board concerning the European Championship in Zurich I republish my opinion

    Women´s shot put event shows the poorest performances of the European Championships!
    Compared to the well-trained powerhouses of the 80´s like Fibingerova, SLupianek or Lisovskaya or Astrid Kumbernuss (during 90´s) the current female shot putters look weak (fragile) and not trained well.
    Women´s shot put will die. But how can the event be revitalized? Nowadays the contests are not enthralling. The predicticted woman will win. Compared to the 80´s, every international competition was a thrilling one. Remember the World Championships in Helsinki in 1983 as best example, Slupianek, Knorscheidt, inimitable Fibingerova and some others.
    I think, the event needs an ambassador, like Fibingerova. She is very enthusiastic and a very good marketer. It is much more fun to see athletic and powerful women than the weak girls of today.

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    Originally posted by powercarlos View Post
    Due to the disappearance of the message board concerning the European Championship in Zurich I republish my opinion

    Women´s shot put event shows the poorest performances of the European Championships!
    Compared to the well-trained powerhouses of the 80´s like Fibingerova, SLupianek or Lisovskaya or Astrid Kumbernuss (during 90´s) the current female shot putters look weak (fragile) and not trained well.
    Women´s shot put will die. But how can the event be revitalized? Nowadays the contests are not enthralling. The predicticted woman will win. Compared to the 80´s, every international competition was a thrilling one. Remember the World Championships in Helsinki in 1983 as best example, Slupianek, Knorscheidt, inimitable Fibingerova and some others.
    I think, the event needs an ambassador, like Fibingerova. She is very enthusiastic and a very good marketer. It is much more fun to see athletic and powerful women than the weak girls of today.
    Not a problem - just get rid of WADA and then you can rejoice in the re-vitalized and well "trained" powerhouses that will undoubtedly come rolling out of the forests and laboratories of Belarus and the like.

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    • #3
      If we are honest, there is more spectator interest in Valerie Adams then the whole of men's Shot Putt who are equally not throwing as far as their predecessors many years ago.

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      • #4
        powercarlos, don't you see the elephant in the room ?!

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        • #5
          We all know why the 80s and 90s had better SPing. We are now where we should be. wSP is not dying any more than other 'fringe' events like TJ, HT or Steeple; it is just what it is.

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          • #6
            T&F News proposed a new WR for 21st century many times.

            I proposed a new weight for SP, discuss, hammer, and Javelin similar to what weightlifting federation has done with new weight category.

            I suggest the new weight for SP to be a tad smaller (200-400g), discuss and hammer a bit more. Javelin is already changed.

            We may end up with non competitive event if a super athlete like Adams appear on a scene.

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            • #7
              As "predictable" as it might be, Valerie Adams has actually helped wSP get back into some sort of limelight. Most casual t&f fans actually know of her, while they might not have been able to name any wSPer before.

              Also, I have to agree with the previous posters that they are not "weak girls" as much as powerful and athletic women subjected to proper drug-control.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by eldanielfire View Post
                If we are honest, there is more spectator interest in Valerie Adams then the whole of men's Shot Putt who are equally not throwing as far as their predecessors many years ago.
                I disagree. Men SP is not disappointing at all; it's true that the measures are not the same of years ago, but we are not that far. There are many men capable of throwing 22+ (both young, like Kovacs and Storl, and old, like Cantwell and Hoffa) and the competition is often interesting because you don't know who is going to win. And there are new interesting youngsters (Walsh, Crouser, Gill himself...) who are going to throw very far in the future.
                Women shot put is different. Adams is in a class of her own (but I fear her best is now behind her) but there aren't new talents (Gong, just 25, PRed 5 years ago... Kolodko didn't approach 20 metres again..) and the discipline is getting disappointing.

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                • #9
                  I regret, that the incredible intensity of workout of shot putters in faded decades is not discussed.
                  Female shot putters of the 80 ´s were faster than the girls of today. Which athlete of today is as quick as Fibingerova was?
                  http://www.docstoc.com/docs/73322781...LE-SHOT-PUTTER

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                  • #10
                    True, maybe (more than maybe) they weren't clean but their technique and speed were fair superior.

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                    • #11
                      Much as I admire Adams and her claim to GOATishness, there's nothing inherently exciting about watching her complete now that Ostapchuk is gone. It's just a matter of how much will she win by.

                      Men's shot, on the other hand, has a wonderful sense of "ain't got a clue what's gonna happen" every time you go into a major championships. (Well, other than the ongoing reality that no matter what happened before, look for Storl to break form on the positive side)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by powercarlos View Post
                        Female shot putters of the 80´s were faster than the girls of today. Which athlete of today is as quick as Fibingerova was?
                        Um . . . one guess why they were faster. The same reason the dirty sprinters were faster. I would bet big money that Adams is much better than any of the dopers.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sasuke View Post
                          True, maybe (more than maybe) they weren't clean but their technique and speed were fair superior.
                          Hard to say their technique was better as is was built on positions today's throwers cannot hold due to their lack of strength. I would say it was different.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by powercarlos View Post
                            ...But how can the event be revitalized?...I think, the event needs an ambassador, like Fibingerova. She is very enthusiastic and a very good marketer. It is much more fun to see athletic and powerful women than the weak girls of today.
                            Even if your premise was true, the solution to get a 65 yo to be an "ambassador" is ridiculous. "Marketing", particularly by a long retired former athlete, does not revitalize an event. How will that make the competitions more exciting, or "weak" girls suddenly appear to be athletic and powerful?
                            You might as well get Hans & Franz of Saturday Night Live to have them "pump you up" and ridicule the "girly girls". At least they would be entertaining.

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                            • #15
                              Maybe someone like Adams should upload training videos a la Jacko Gill. Those are among the most entertaining training videos I have seen, and I am not even a big shot put fan.

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