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  • 2014 110H Marks Snob Rankings

    The 110H was a hot mess this year. It looked like Parchment was going to run away (pun!) with the #1 ranking, but then he got hurt. Martinot-Lagarde and Shubenkov were strong.

    The World List looked like this:

    12.94 Parchment
    12.95 Martinot-Lagarde
    12.99 Ronnie Ash
    13.01 Omar Ortega
    13.13 Sergey Shubenkov
    13.14 Aleec Harris
    13.16 Devon Allen, William Sharman
    13.18 Ryan Wilson (US)


    The Marks Snob only looks at the Big Meets, meets with depth and great times.

    For the 110H this year, the DL races were supreme, specifically the ones at Paris, Monaco, Brussels, Lausanne, and Pre.
    Additionally the Euro Champs and Continental Cup were important.

    With that in mind, the Marks Snob sees the rankings as:

    1. M-LaGarde – wins at Monaco, Lausanne, Brussels and Pre
    2. Shubenkov – Wins at Euros and ContCup
    3. Parchment – Win at Paris (WL), 2nd at Pre
    4. Sharman - 2nd at EC, 3rd at CC
    5. Ortega – 2nd at Monaco and Brussels, 3rd at Paris
    6. Oliver – 3rd at Pre, 4th at Lausanne, 5th at Paris
    7. Wilson – 4th Paris, Monaco and Pre, 6th at Lausanne

    Your mileage may vary . . .

  • #2
    Is Omar Orlando's twin. Serious leg pulling there tafnut
    why don't people pronounce vowels anymore

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    • #3
      12.99, then leading in a similar manner at USATF, that is not a top meet in the 110h?

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      • #4
        Confusing season. But just remind me here. What was the deal with Merritt, Oliver and Richardson? Coaching issues for Richardson? and injury problems for the other 2?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 26mi235 View Post
          12.99, then leading in a similar manner at USATF, that is not a top meet in the 110h?
          Didn't do so best in the DL, the meat of the season.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Atticus View Post
            The 110H was a hot mess this year. It looked like Parchment was going to run away (pun!) with the #1 ranking, but then he got hurt. Martinot-Lagarde and Shubenkov were strong.

            The World List looked like this:

            12.94 Parchment
            12.95 Martinot-Lagarde
            12.99 Ronnie Ash
            13.01 Omar Ortega
            13.13 Sergey Shubenkov
            13.14 Aleec Harris
            13.16 Devon Allen, William Sharman
            13.18 Ryan Wilson (US)


            The Marks Snob only looks at the Big Meets, meets with depth and great times.

            For the 110H this year, the DL races were supreme, specifically the ones at Paris, Monaco, Brussels, Lausanne, and Pre.
            Additionally the Euro Champs and Continental Cup were important.

            With that in mind, the Marks Snob sees the rankings as:

            1. M-LaGarde – wins at Monaco, Lausanne, Brussels and Pre
            2. Shubenkov – Wins at Euros and ContCup
            3. Parchment – Win at Paris (WL), 2nd at Pre
            4. Sharman - 2nd at EC, 3rd at CC
            5. Ortega – 2nd at Monaco and Brussels, 3rd at Paris
            6. Oliver – 3rd at Pre, 4th at Lausanne, 5th at Paris
            7. Wilson – 4th Paris, Monaco and Pre, 6th at Lausanne

            Your mileage may vary . . .
            1. M-LaGarde – wins at Monaco, Lausanne, Brussels and Pre
            2. Shubenkov – Wins at Euros and ContCup
            3. Ortega
            4. Parchment – Win at Paris (WL), 2nd at Pre
            5. Riley
            6. Sharman - 2nd at EC, 3rd at CC

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            • #7
              Sharman and Oliver before Wilson? I think when head to head comes into effect, Wilson climbs a few spots higher. M-L was number 2 until the last few races. That EC result was damaging. Riley is a strange bird.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 26mi235 View Post
                12.99, then leading in a similar manner at USATF, that is not a top meet in the 110h?
                I don't think Ash gets any credit for "leading in a similar manner" when he failed to finish the race. 12.99 in a heat is just a mark, nothing else.
                Cheers,
                Alan Shank
                Woodland, CA

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Smoke View Post
                  Sharman and Oliver before Wilson? I think when head to head comes into effect, Wilson climbs a few spots higher.
                  That's where the Marks Snob differs from T&FN rankings. They consider total W-L record, but I ignore results in less important meets. The only data-points I look at are supplied by the meets above. If you don't compete with the best, at their best (early season meets count less to me), you don't get a high ranking.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Alan Shank View Post
                    I don't think Ash gets any credit for "leading in a similar manner" when he failed to finish the race. 12.99 in a heat is just a mark, nothing else.
                    Cheers,
                    Alan Shank
                    Woodland, CA
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                    o, it is not 'just a heat', it is part of the USATF and the players are prepped and ready for what is close to the biggest event of the year for some of the USA athletes. Winning that hurdles title is a big deal and that 12.99 shows what good form he was in and that he was leading (by a fair bit?) when he hit and the win went in 13.16 shows how well he was running.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 26mi235 View Post
                      o, it is not 'just a heat', it is part of the USATF and the players are prepped and ready for what is close to the biggest event of the year for some of the USA athletes. Winning that hurdles title is a big deal and that 12.99 shows what good form he was in and that he was leading (by a fair bit?) when he hit and the win went in 13.16 shows how well he was running.
                      Gotta go with AS. Coulda-woulda-shoulda's don't cut the mustard*.

                      [just looked up this idiom and no one knows its true origin!]

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 26mi235 View Post
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                        o, it is not 'just a heat', it is part of the USATF and the players are prepped and ready for what is close to the biggest event of the year for some of the USA athletes. Winning that hurdles title is a big deal and that 12.99 shows what good form he was in and that he was leading (by a fair bit?) when he hit and the win went in 13.16 shows how well he was running.
                        Heats are not considered at all in W-L records by T&F N, unless the athletes fails to reach the next round. Here again, leading in a race one fails to finish is irrelevant, in my view.
                        It's a mark; it helps his top five, which is 13.196.
                        Cheers,
                        Alan Shank
                        Woodland, CA

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 26mi235 View Post
                          it is part of the USATF and the players are prepped and ready for what is close to the biggest event of the year for some of the USA athletes.
                          Given that save from Ash's heat performance, the 19 fastest performance of the year were all done by 5 non-Americans (P M-L, Parshment, Shubenkov, Ortega, Sharman), I'd say that the USTAF is worth nothing on the hurdles ranking this year....

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                          • #14
                            An amazing perfect storm of bad for the U.S., which in the past has never had any worst than No. 3 as its best World Ranker. And this after a 1-2, 4-5 last year.

                            So how much was regression by the Americans and how much just nice breakthroughs by a lot of people from other nations "all at once"?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by gh View Post
                              So how much was regression by the Americans and how much just nice breakthroughs by a lot of people from other nations "all at once"?
                              As you say, a perfect storm of circumstances to keep the USAians off their game. But . . . the Magic 8-ball predicts a stellar resurge next year!

                              "You may rely on it."

                              Never doubt the Magic 8-ball!!

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