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    i believe good runners should be allowed in the marathon trials based on their track 10k times, for example men who can run under 29 minutes on the track would be allowed entry based on their 10k time because they are a proven good distance runner, the 10k time would be tougher than the marathon qualifying time, because the runner has the luxury of running 20 less miles to qualify. look at how many 10k runners have performed great in their debut, a time of 34 minutes should allow women entry.

  • #2
    Re: marathon qualifying

    They had such a qualifying procedure, for women only, several years back.

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    • #3
      Re: marathon qualifying

      I agree - taking it a step further, because the marathon takes so long to completely recover from (and recovery interupts training) - athletes who have proven themselves worthy should be allowed an Olympic birth w/o running the trials. KK and Drossin should NOT have to run the trials prior to the Olympics next year - marathoners at that level need to plan their peaks well in advance, and the trials for KK and Drossin shouldn't be in the mix.

      If KK or Drossin suffers from cramps, the flu, etc. at the trials and cannot run/qualify, the best will not be representing the US. It's time to rethink our qualifying standards for the Olympics to aviod another Dan O'Brien.

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      • #4
        Re: marathon qualifying

        If an marathoner wishes to represent the USA in both the worlds and the Olympics, here's the schedule:

        August 23-31 -- World Championships
        February 7-- Men's Oly trials
        April 4 -- Women's Oly trials
        August 13-29 -- Olympic Games

        S/he has to run all three, with no time to make a paycheck. That's why Khannouchi isn't running at the worlds; he says he wants to run the Olympics but doing so keeps him out of a money marathon until Decmber 2004 at the earliest. The American system actually penalizes athletes financially who wear our colors at major international championships.

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        • #5
          Re: marathon qualifying

          >I agree - taking it a step further, because the
          >marathon takes so long to completely recover from
          >(and recovery interupts training) - athletes who
          >have proven themselves worthy should be allowed
          >an Olympic birth w/o running the trials. KK and
          >Drossin should NOT have to run the trials prior
          >to the Olympics next year - marathoners at that
          >level need to plan their peaks well in advance,
          >and the trials for KK and Drossin shouldn't be in
          >the mix. >>

          So long as USATF has (or feels) the need to sell the OT as a cash cow, it has to guarantee to the sponsors that all the stud muffins will be there, and they're getting the "real" OT qualifying, not just some secondary part of it.

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          • #6
            Re: marathon qualifying

            <<If an marathoner wishes to represent the USA in both the worlds and the Olympics, here's the schedule:
            August 23-31 -- World Championships
            February 7-- Men's Oly trials
            August 13-29 -- Olympic Games>>

            An old-school runner like Frank Shorter might well say, "and?...."

            I don't have his 1971 track schedule at hand, but can reconstruct at least part of it quickly:

            April 2
            2nd in Texas Relays 2M in 8:33
            April 24
            won Drake 10K (6M) in "28:24"
            May 15
            2nd in Bakersfield 5K in 13:35
            June 6
            2nd in AAU Marathon in 2:18
            June 24
            3rd in the AAU 5K (3M ) in "13:30"
            June 26
            won the 10K (6M) in "28:27"
            July 2
            2nd vs. Soviet Union in 10K in 28:41
            August 5
            1st in Pan-Am marathon in 2:22
            end of November
            won AAU XC title
            December 6
            won Fukuoka M in 2:13

            1972
            don't know what he did in 5K other than a 13:42 on May 20.
            April 6
            2nd in Texas Relays 10K (6M) in "29:25"
            April 29
            won Drake 10K (6M) in "28;38"
            June 16
            2nd in AAU 10K in 28;12
            July 2
            won OT 10K in 28:35
            July 9
            won OT marathon in 2:16
            August 31
            3rd in heat in OG in 27:58 (American Record)
            September 3
            5th in OG in 27:51 (AR)
            September 10
            won OG marathon in 2:12
            December 3
            won Fukuoka M in 2:10:30

            Now let's talk some more about how hard it is to run more than a couple of quality distance races a year, marathon or not.

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            • #7
              Re: marathon qualifying

              I don't agree that running U.S. Champs the Worlds penalizes athletes financially, except Khannouchi. First of all, the BEST chance for Americans to make money is in the U.S. Champs/Olympic Trials marathons, since they have significant U.S.-only prize money.

              Secondly, I don't know Khannouchi's reasoning, but there are many top marathoners who skip the Worlds. It simply isn't as important of a race as it used to be. But Khannouchi also isn't a championship marathoner, IMHO. He runs well in cool conditions on a fast course. Look at the Edmonton debacle.

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              • #8
                Re: marathon qualifying

                Secondly, I
                >don't know Khannouchi's reasoning, but there are
                >many top marathoners who skip the Worlds. It
                >simply isn't as important of a race as it used to
                >be. But Khannouchi also isn't a championship
                >marathoner

                Rigorous testing? EPO?

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                • #9
                  Re: marathon qualifying

                  Here's the important parts:

                  >1971
                  >June 6 -- 2nd in AAU Marathon in 2:18

                  >August 5 -- 1st in Pan-Am marathon in 2:22

                  >December 6 -- won Fukuoka M in 2:13

                  >1972
                  >July 9 -- won OT marathon in 2:16

                  >September 10 -- won OG marathon in 2:12

                  >December 3 -- won Fukuoka M in 2:10:30

                  His marathons were well spread out. Marathons incur real muscle damage, even for great runners like Shorter. I'm not implying that I know what it's like to run a 2:12, but I do know that it's impossible to understand the aftereffects of a marathon until you do one.

                  The world's biggest paydays are in April and October/November; unless your find a race in January or July, you're cutting it much too close if your long-term goal is to make as much money as possible.

                  Yes, I did think it somewhat odd that Khannouchi folded in Edmonton with no excuse that made any sense. I hate to think the announcement of EPO testing shortly before the meet may have been the real explanation, but only a fool wouldn't consider it possible.

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                  • #10
                    Re: marathon qualifying

                    jsquire is correct - the marathon tears you up. Frank Shorter was the exception - not the rule (won Oly Trials in July, the Olympics ins Sept.?!!!) - perhaps rather than running a seperate Oly. trials in winter/spring, we should tie it into a fall marathon the previous year (NY, Chicago). This would allow for more recovery, plus give our marathoners a true test against the world's best.

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                    • #11
                      Re: marathon qualifying

                      Speaking of drugs, will the sport ever get "cleaned up?" Heard that Frank Shorter quit as head of the drug commission (whatever the name of the group was). What can be done so athletes don't think that they have to use drugs to be good?

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                      • #12
                        Re: marathon qualifying

                        Will our society ever be totally free of drugs? Of course not. Is it possible that track & field, or any sport, will ever be totally rid of drugs? No way.

                        But we've got the best testing system of any major sport, so let's move on and focus on the positive. Sure, it sucks when we hear of an athlete testing positive, but that means the system is working.

                        In most pro sports, testing is a sham and you don't have any positives.

                        Please, let's not let this thread (or forum) regress into one dominated by drugs talk.

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                        • #13
                          Re: marathon qualifying

                          >perhaps rather than running a
                          >seperate Oly. trials in winter/spring, we should
                          >tie it into a fall marathon the previous year
                          >(NY, Chicago). This would allow for more
                          >recovery, plus give our marathoners a true test
                          >against the world's best.

                          The last US marathoner who won a medal at a WC or OG was Steve Spence in 1991. He qualified for the team the preceding fall. The AAU used to use existing races such as Boston or Yonkers to pick its Olympic marathoners, so there's some precedent to it. Better yet would be the promise that if you finished in the top ten at the WC or OG, you're automatically in the next one.

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                          • #14
                            Re: marathon qualifying

                            The last US marathoner who
                            >won a medal at a WC or OG was Steve Spence in
                            >1991. He qualified for the team the preceding
                            >fall. The AAU used to use existing races such as
                            >Boston or Yonkers to pick its Olympic
                            >marathoners, so there's some precedent to it.
                            >Better yet would be the promise that if you
                            >finished in the top ten at the WC or OG, you're
                            >automatically in the next one.

                            this does not alter your main point, but mark plaatjes, who won wc marathon gold in 93, is an american.

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                            • #15
                              Re: marathon qualifying

                              My mistake! I really hate those people that don't consider immigrants "real Americans", so don't take it that way. I think he made the US team based on time, right?

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