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  • #46
    Originally posted by aaronk View Post
    Why isn't Williams doing sub-8.00's?
    With a 12.87 100H PR, you'd think a sub-8 would follow.
    Maybe she's not a great starter?
    Or she's not in 12.87 shape yet?
    Aaron's question led me to look at the relation between 60h and 100h (focusing on Williams).
    So I decided to examine the 60h times of American women that ran a similar time to Williams in the 100h. As such, I selected 16 athletes that ran between 12.82-12.92 (Williams PB is 12.87) and check their 60h time.

    The range of the times is between 7.84-8.42.
    Sub 8.00: 4 athletes
    8.00-8.09: 5 athletes
    8.10-8.15 6 athletes
    Above 8.15: 2 athletes.
    Average: 8.08

    Williams PB 8.21

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    • #47
      Originally posted by unclezadok View Post
      Williams should never be under 22 feet in a multi LJ.
      Why? Her PR is 6.54. She needs 16cm to get to 22'.
      Her flat speed is decent, but not remarkable. It will likely be a while before she is consistently at 6.60+.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by gm View Post
        Why? Her PR is 6.54. She needs 16cm to get to 22'.
        Her flat speed is decent, but not remarkable. It will likely be a while before she is consistently at 6.60+.
        Yes, she's a great hurdler, no doubt... but her flat speed, at least in the 200, is "...decent, but not remarkable". This has been mentioned before on various threads, but her 200m progression is very interesting (does she break out this year?)...
        2010: 24.49
        2011: 24.92
        2012: 24.79
        2013: 24.63
        2014: 24.30

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        • #49
          The 60h in Tyson Invitational features almost all the main contenders for the iNCAA in Pentathlon. Two of the top three (Williams and Akela Jones) will be there as well as Vollmer and sedeiko plus nine!! of the athletes that are in qualification places in the Pentathlon. Most of these women will meet for a rematch in the LJ and few (including Jones but no Williams) will also HJ.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by olorin View Post
            The 60h in Tyson Invitational features almost all the main contenders for the iNCAA in Pentathlon. Two of the top three (Williams and Akela Jones) will be there as well as Vollmer and sedeiko plus nine!! of the athletes that are in qualification places in the Pentathlon. Most of these women will meet for a rematch in the LJ and few (including Jones but no Williams) will also HJ.
            Akela Jones 6.64 in the LJ!! (old PB 6.55)
            Williams DNS
            In the 60h preliminaries most women 0.1-0.2 behind their best

            Add: after few minutes Jones equal her PB in the 60h 8.17
            Williams "only" 8.24
            Chapman (Williams's teammate) 8.42 PB
            Last edited by olorin; 02-14-2015, 12:53 AM.

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            • #51
              Sorry. I was assuming Williams was serious about being a heptathlete. Actually I think she would consistently be over 22 feet by now but clearly was working on the SP and JT, which she did improve.
              Yes, I am being snarky here but this is what will have to happen for her to be a factor on the world level.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by unclezadok View Post
                Sorry. I was assuming Williams was serious about being a heptathlete. Actually I think she would consistently be over 22 feet by now but clearly was working on the SP and JT, which she did improve.
                Yes, I am being snarky here but this is what will have to happen for her to be a factor on the world level.
                Can you name one heptathlete at her age that was consistent above 6.70?
                How many LJ specialists at her age were consistent above 6.70?
                Using the top ten in the world in the Heptathlon for 2014 here is a reality check:
                Name, PB, # above 6.70
                KJT 6.92 (5)
                BTE 6.59
                Djimou 6.44
                Schippers 6.78 (1)
                Broersen 6.39
                Thiam 6.37
                Day 6.15
                Klucinova 6.43
                Schwarzkopf 6.35
                Schafer 6.30
                and for good measure
                Ennis 6.51
                So only ONE athlete (KJT) from all the world elite actually live up to your expectations.

                Get your expectation down by one feet and you are on the money (i.e. PB above 6.70 and consistent above 6.40)

                Finally, she is not yet 20. She is better in the LJ than KJT was in her age, she is better 100h than Ennis was at her age, she is 1.88 HJ, she improves her throws all the time, and she improved her 800 PB by 9 seconds in 2014. Yet you question whether she is serious about her Heptathlon?
                Last edited by olorin; 02-14-2015, 05:47 AM.

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                • #53
                  Williams had an 8.33 hurdles and then DNS in the (I think) LJ. Did she get hurt in the hurdles?

                  Vollmer cleared 1.82.

                  Ellenwood ran 8.84, just shy of her PR

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by 26mi235 View Post
                    Williams had an 8.33 hurdles and then DNS in the (I think) LJ. Did she get hurt in the hurdles?

                    Vollmer cleared 1.82.

                    Ellenwood ran 8.84, just shy of her PR
                    There were three rounds in the 60h (qualifications, semi and final). In between there was the LJ competition. Williams decided to compete in the 60h (8.37, 8.24, 8.33) and Akela Jones competed in the qualification and semi and three rounds of LJ. So, this is probably part of the policy of Georgia's coach to conserve their multi-event athletes and not an injury.
                    BTW - Williams and Jones ran in two different semis so the first head to head competition will only (probably) be in the iNCAA.

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                    • #55
                      Another 4100+ pentathlon performance this season, with soph. Aaron Howell of Michigan scoring 4115, a 200+ point PR for her, and easily beating Kiani Profit in the process. That's 14 NCAA (D1) women over 4100 so far this year, and this is before conference champ weekend! Again, probably the best indoor NCAA pentathlon season ever.

                      Side note: Although probably not at the pentathlon/indoor level of Williams/Bougard/Jones, Kansas' 2013 NCAA heptathlon champ, Lindsay Vollmer (yet to compete in a pentathlon this season), is having a solid indoor season, with a couple PRs (60H and HJ), a solid SP and a decent LJ.

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                      • #56
                        A quite weekend before the final rash for qualification.
                        Alex Gochenour continues with her great season with three new PBs:
                        LJ - 6.01 (5.80)
                        SP - 12.95 (12.48)
                        60h - 8.41 (8.43)
                        she already has a sum of PBs of 4435 points. If one of the big three will have a disaster she can threaten the bronze

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                        • #57
                          According to the coach's remarks today, Latham (Wisconsin) is apparently only doing the hurdles at Big Tens, which would seem to imply that she will not be in the Pent field. Ellenwood is doing the Pent; but she has never done (completed, anyway) a Pent. However, her PRs add up to 4169.

                          Mark Points Event
                          175 916 High jump
                          580 789 Long jump
                          11.87 653 Shot put
                          2:17 863 800 m
                          8.82 948 60h
                          4169

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                          • #58
                            Conference champs underway… here’s a brief iNCAA qualifying outlook:
                            Locks: those currently >4225
                            - Williams, Bougard, Jones, Herauf, Gochenour, Chapman, Harrell
                            Good shot at Q: those currently in top-10, > 4150, and/or sum of PR’s > 4400
                            - Hemann, Brown, Brooks, Stewart, Rahn, Twiss
                            Bubble Watch:
                            - Howell, Farrington, Hawkins, McDonald, Torres, Larch-Miller, Sadeiko
                            Spoilers: gals without a score this season, but with top-16 potential, if they compete/finish
                            - Vollmer, Ellenwood

                            Current Top-16 Cutoff = 4059… Projected Cutoff: 4150?
                            Previous Cutoffs (2010-2014): 3967, 3959, 3996, 4024, 4043

                            Not competing at conference champs multis: Latham (will fill in when remaining heat sheets become available)... in addition to the redshirts/ineligibles previously mentioned in this thread.

                            Add: Also not competing in the conference multis: Akela Jones
                            Last edited by gktrack; 02-27-2015, 03:26 AM.

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                            • #59
                              ACC:
                              - Xenia Rahn (UNC), despite a somewhat sub-par HJ, posts a big PR score of 4273 (old=4191), an easy NCAA qualifier..
                              - Grete Sadeiko (FSU) finishes with a PR of 4105 (old=3969), and is now on the weekend bubble.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by gktrack View Post
                                Bubble Watch:
                                - Howell, Farrington, Hawkins, McDonald, Torres, Larch-Miller, Sadeiko
                                In Mountain West - Hawkins leads with 3479 after four events. If she will match her PB in the 800 (2:24.13) she will score 4247 points (PB 4059). If she will run below 2:28 she will be the ninth(!) athletes to score above 4200

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