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  • dougj burke
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    >"Almost none of these athletes performed at this level before or
    >since."

    True, though to read the T&FN coverage of the 93 Worlds, the 3
    >Chinese who swept the 3000 basically toyed with the field leaving the
    >impression something never before witnessed had been done. And same for Wang's
    >run in the 10K (she wasn't even in the 3k or 1500 at that meet). Also the 1500
    >winner (Liu?) got booed by the crowd, so overwhelming was her domination.

    i read it may have been in track and field news when the chinese were shattering these records, their coach was on the infield telling the runners to slow down, which the coach denied saying he would want his girls running 27 minute 10k;s if they could.

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  • qazsen
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    I do think Abeylegesse still has a very good chance of winning the gold in the Olympics. 3:58 is still the best 1500m time in the world this year, and one of the top 10 times in the last few years, so she has better speed compared to most of the pack of Ethiopian 5K/10K specialists. She will most likely run a tactical race at the olympics final as opposed to the kind of race she ran for the record last Friday.

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  • Sprintstatman
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    Let's not talk about the Chinese, let's talk about...Abeyges...Agebey...Abegebey...that brilliant Turkish runner and her wonderful 5k record.

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  • Mel
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    "Almost none of these athletes performed at this level before or since."

    True, though to read the T&FN coverage of the 93 Worlds, the 3 Chinese who swept the 3000 basically toyed with the field leaving the impression something never before witnessed had been done. And same for Wang's run in the 10K (she wasn't even in the 3k or 1500 at that meet). Also the 1500 winner (Liu?) got booed by the crowd, so overwhelming was her domination.

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  • kuha
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    Precisely. The whole series of performances, over a period of a few days, is flat out UNBELIEVABLE (and I don't mean that in a good way).

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  • RMc
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    2'36.5 for the
    >last 1k of an already superfast pace must mean she was capable of a lot quicker
    >than 3'51.92 for individual race - perhaps that race wasn't that fast for her &
    >she just got outkicked at the end of a "slow" pace for her

    i'm sure she
    >was capable of sub - 3'50

    Remember that her 3:51 came AFTER running over the previous 4 days: 29:47 (with that last 8:17 3k), about 8:12(heat), 8:06 (final), 3:57 (heat), 3:51(2nd in the final).

    BTW, it's not her single performance which really undermines the legitimacy of these marks. It's that half a dozen athletes broke the 3k WR, not once, but TWICE, once in the heats and again in the final, and the 1500 had several runners under 4. Almost none of these athletes performed at this level before or since.

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  • Mel
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    "Let it be said that Wang Junxia's 8:06.11 for 3K and 29:31.78 for 10K both convert to around 14:10.6 for 5K."

    Interesting cuz I did some rough conversion of my own a few yrs back and arrived at 14:10.

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  • CookyMonzta
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    It took a while, although I thought Jiang Bo's record was ready to go as early as 6 years ago, when Gabriela Szabo ran 14:31.48.

    Let it be said that Wang Junxia's 8:06.11 for 3K and 29:31.78 for 10K both convert to around 14:10.6 for 5K. Abeylegesse crossed the 3K mark in 8:37. To run 14:10, the women may need to run 8:30-8:32 at the 3K mark.

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  • Alan Shank
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    >The woman who lost the world championships last >year was
    >Sureyya Ayhan. Due to a hamstring injury, she could not sprint at all last
    >summer, so she had to run all her races, including qualifiers at a fast pace
    >all the way from the start. She went a bit too fast and run a sub 59 first 400
    >at the world championship final and had to settle for the silver with a
    >3:59.04.
    According to T&FN, her splits in Paris were 60.5, 2:06.8, 3:13.2. She was passed my Zadorozhnaya with about a lap to go, but regained the lead on the backstretch, which she ran very hard. She had nothing left with which to fight Tomashova off in the last 50m.

    > Last year, Sureyya Ayhan ran the three best times in the world:
    >3:55.33 at Bruxelles, 3:55.60 at Zurich and 3:57.72 at Monaco, all without
    >rabbits. She has not run any races so far this year.

    It just goes to show that the runner capable of the fastest times does not always win the championship race. Ayhan was one of the strongest favorites of the meet.

    I saw pieces of the 5K WR race on Fox Sports Network's coverage yesterday. It seemed like Dibaba made up quite a bit of ground in the last lap. In Athens, the prelim and the likely heat make a runaway less likely. If I were a betting man, I would take the field against Abeylegesse.
    Cheers,
    Alan Shank

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  • qazsen
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    > Wasn't there a Turkish woman who was 100% sure of winning the 1500 last year in Paris? A paced Grand Prix race is not the same as a WC/Oly final. Having seen Dibaba win the 5K there last year, I wouldn't necessarily bet on Abeylegesse against her, or some other Ethiopian or Kenyan young woman who was only 17 last year.

    The woman who lost the world championships last year was Sureyya Ayhan. Due to a hamstring injury, she could not sprint at all last summer, so she had to run all her races, including qualifiers at a fast pace all the way from the start. She went a bit too fast and run a sub 59 first 400 at the world championship final and had to settle for the silver with a 3:59.04. Last year, Sureyya Ayhan ran the three best times in the world: 3:55.33 at Bruxelles, 3:55.60 at Zurich and 3:57.72 at Monaco, all without rabbits. She has not run any races so far this year.

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  • eldrick
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    >>thanks Kuha, maybe someone can come up with the 1500 mark, I would bet one
    >of
    >the 2 was sub-4. Sick isn't it


    if the middle 1k was run evenly
    >(around 84 seconds each 500m), then it could have made the last 1500m around
    >4:00. But seeing as the last 1k split is the quickest (hinting towards her
    >speeding up in the latter stages), then she could well have ran the 2nd 1500m
    >in sub-4:00!! Scary!

    forget sub-4'00, look at that last 1k - 2'36.5 !!!

    that's 3'54.75 pace bigged up to 1.5k !!!

    i had an estimate of ~ 2'30 for her for an individual 1k based on her 3'51.92 & 8'06.11

    2'36.5 for the last 1k of an already superfast pace must mean she was capable of a lot quicker than 3'51.92 for individual race - perhaps that race wasn't that fast for her & she just got outkicked at the end of a "slow" pace for her

    i'm sure she was capable of sub - 3'50

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  • Jon
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    >thanks Kuha, maybe someone can come up with the 1500 mark, I would bet one of
    >the 2 was sub-4. Sick isn't it


    if the middle 1k was run evenly (around 84 seconds each 500m), then it could have made the last 1500m around 4:00. But seeing as the last 1k split is the quickest (hinting towards her speeding up in the latter stages), then she could well have ran the 2nd 1500m in sub-4:00!! Scary!

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  • Mel
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    thanks Kuha, maybe someone can come up with the 1500 mark, I would bet one of the 2 was sub-4. Sick isn't it

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  • kuha
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    Kilometer splits for Wang's 8:06.11: 2:42.0, 2:47.7, 2:36.5. I haven't seen a 1500 split for this race...

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  • Mel
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    I've always wanted to know how the 8:06 broke down by 1500s. Does anyone know the opening 1500 split?

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