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  • booond
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    Originally posted by Powell View Post
    But DLs are not the only thing in T&F. For instance, there was a new WL in DT just half an hour ago.
    If a tree falls in the woods...

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  • Powell
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    But DLs are not the only thing in T&F. For instance, there was a new WL in DT just half an hour ago.

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  • gh
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    Originally posted by norunner View Post
    Just curious: Do NFL fans complain about the complete lack of football for seven months of the year? Do they come up with ideas like "They should be playing all year long so we don't get bored" ?
    Some may, but the simple fact is that the NFL season has a defined beginning and end (you know, a "season"!). DL track is hit and miss (feast or famine) over the course of many months. Hell of a way to ru a railroad. If yu look at the chart that's part of that story, you'll see that thsi year has a record 23-day (!) gap from last DL to start of WC and a record 35 days from the last pre-Beijing DL to the first post-Beijig one. Simply ludicrous.

    And that, of course, does'n't eventake into account the fact that not all events are in all DL meets, so for some the gap is even larger.

    Helluva way to run a railroad.

    And we wonder why the sport can't attract/hold new fans.

    Harrumph

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  • norunner
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    Originally posted by aaronk View Post
    T&F (and its side dishes of XC and road racing) has ALWAYS been year-round.
    Amd I mean around the world, not just in the US.
    But you are comparing apples and oranges. You complain that there is no QUALITY T&F for three weeks before the WCs and then you mention meets all around the world to show that there is T&F all year. Those meets down under in in the US in march/april are usually levels below the DL, and those kinda meets are coming up plenty in the next couple of weeks. There's even WCs before the WCs, the World Master Athletics Championships in Lyon. T&F is around all year, DL quality T&F is not and will never be.

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  • aaronk
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    Originally posted by 26mi235 View Post
    They have the rep-season, the draft season, the trade season, and ... they do not stop for several weeks before the playoffs. College does to an extent, though...
    Football teams play no more than 20-22 or so games---including exhibition season, regular & post season.
    Goes from August to early February---less than 6 months!

    Baseball goes from February to November, with spring training, regular & post season.
    Right around 200 games total, if you go to the World Series.

    The NBA goes from October to June, including everything, so it's about 8 months!
    They play over 100 games a year, if they go all the way to the Championships.

    Golf & tennis go close to year-round, don't they?
    (I don't follow either sport!)

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  • aaronk
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    Originally posted by norunner View Post
    Just curious: Do NFL fans complain about the complete lack of football for seven months of the year? Do they come up with ideas like "They should be playing all year long so we don't get bored" ?
    Whole different ballgame....so to speak!
    Football has NEVER been year-round.
    T&F (and its side dishes of XC and road racing) has ALWAYS been year-round.
    Amd I mean around the world, not just in the US.
    Here's a brief outline:

    Jan-Mar
    US & European indoor T&F.
    Road Races & XC.
    Summer outdoor season Down Under.
    Early outdoor meets in "sunshine states" in the US.

    Apr & May
    US relay meets.
    HS season in US.
    Collegiate duals & conferences & regionals.
    Major marathons (& other road races)
    Early DL's

    June-July
    Championship meets in US (NCAA, USATF, NBN, Juniors)
    Several DL's around the world.
    National Championships in many countries.

    August--Sept
    OG or WC in 3 out of 4 years.
    Major regional Championships (Commonwealth, Europeans, Pan Am).
    Last of the DL's
    Berlin Marathon & other road races
    Beginning of XC in the US

    Oct-Dec
    XC (invitational & other meets, then the Championships)
    More marathons (NY, Chicago, Japan) and road races
    Beginning of Down Under season (Nov-Dec)
    Beginning of indoor season (Dec)

    So there's always something going on.
    I think the main problem is distribution of the "major" events....namely the DL's.
    Last edited by aaronk; 08-01-2015, 01:31 PM.

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  • 26mi235
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    They have the rep-season, the draft season, the trade season, and ... they do not stop for several weeks before the playoffs. College does to an extent, though...

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  • norunner
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    Just curious: Do NFL fans complain about the complete lack of football for seven months of the year? Do they come up with ideas like "They should be playing all year long so we don't get bored" ?

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  • aaronk
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    Originally posted by Tuariki View Post
    Excuse my ignorance; I wasn't aware the DL was a creature that the US T&F could end or expand.


    24 weeks of competition means 24 weeks of traveling all around the world. Questions:
    1. Who is going to pay?
    2. When do you expect these 24 meet athletes to train?
    3. Does the Southern hemisphere get to be in the 24 meet schedule?
    4. What happens to the thousands of other meets that held in the world?


    In which years did Ron Clarke race (and I mean raced) 50 times a year.
    Viren ran his 2 mile world record on 14 August. The heats of the 10,000 were on 31 August. So your reference to just DAYS is actually 17 of them.

    However, I do agree with you that athletics needs to change if we are to survive, let alone grow, as a sport. I guess that will be the challenge for either Bubka or Coe.
    I shouldn't have said "US". I meant the whole world.
    I'm just looking for a way for there to be a never-ending schedule of meets.
    I don't like the DL concept.
    What do we get?
    The same group of athletes in the same group of events.
    And how many compete in all 7 meets?
    I'd rather see a system where they competed in all 14 meets, and for the event line-up to always be changing.

    As for Ron Clarke, read my blog called "The Legacy of Ron Clarke", posted right after he died.
    I list the years he ran anywhere from 40 to 60 races per year---every year for about 7 or 8 years!
    And these races ranged anywhere from 800 to a marathon, with several in the 5000 to 10 mile range......and these were on the track, not roads, so the 10 mile was 40 laps of a 440 yard track!

    So when did Clarke train?
    He used the races as his hard workouts, is my guess.
    But things were so different back then!!

    So I was off on Viren's 2 mile date.
    The point was, he ran 4 or 5 FAST races in the few weeks before the OG.
    And don't forget, there were heats in the 10K and 5K, so he ran a total of 30K in both OG's.
    Today, if someone like Farah doubles, he'll run 20K, 10 less than Viren did....and relatively a LOT slower!!
    Like I said, athletes are wimps today!!
    Last edited by aaronk; 08-01-2015, 12:34 PM.

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  • Tuariki
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    Originally posted by aaronk View Post
    Here's a short list of suggestions for improving the US T&F schedule.
    End the DL set-up.
    Or expand it.
    Excuse my ignorance; I wasn't aware the DL was a creature that the US T&F could end or expand.

    Originally posted by aaronk View Post
    1. As GH has stated several times, the DL schedule is BAD! They should be held weekly, every week, for 20 weeks, beginning as they do now, in May. If the 1st one was held May 1st, the schedule would be, May 1, 8, 15, 22, 29, June 5, 12, 19, 26, July 3, 10, 17, 24, 31, August 7, 14, 21, 28, September 4, 11.
    ......
    2. Hold 4 World Relay meets EVERY year! (Although 3 would be okay!). Space them out to once per month. You could vary the location for each meet. In fact, the first one could be held within the schedule of the Penn or Drake Relays!
    24 weeks of competition means 24 weeks of traveling all around the world. Questions:
    1. Who is going to pay?
    2. When do you expect these 24 meet athletes to train?
    3. Does the Southern hemisphere get to be in the 24 meet schedule?
    4. What happens to the thousands of other meets that held in the world?

    Originally posted by aaronk View Post
    But there's also the T&F analogy.
    Ron Clarke raced over 50 times a year....and I mean RACED!!

    In the 3 or 4 weeks leading up to Munich, Lasse Viren ran 4 or 5 VERY fast races, including a 2 Mile WR just DAYS before the OG started!
    In which years did Ron Clarke race (and I mean raced) 50 times a year.
    Viren ran his 2 mile world record on 14 August. The heats of the 10,000 were on 31 August. So your reference to just DAYS is actually 17 of them.

    However, I do agree with you that athletics needs to change if we are to survive, let alone grow, as a sport. I guess that will be the challenge for either Bubka or Coe.

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  • aaronk
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    Here's a short list of suggestions for improving the US T&F schedule.

    End the DL set-up.
    Or expand it.

    1. As GH has stated several times, the DL schedule is BAD! They should be held weekly, every week, for 20 weeks, beginning as they do now, in May. If the 1st one was held May 1st, the schedule would be, May 1, 8, 15, 22, 29, June 5, 12, 19, 26, July 3, 10, 17, 24, 31, August 7, 14, 21, 28, September 4, 11.
    If there's a WC or OG, ONLY that week's meet would be postponed (NOT cancelled!) to the end of the season.

    2. Hold 4 World Relay meets EVERY year! (Although 3 would be okay!). Space them out to once per month. You could vary the location for each meet. In fact, the first one could be held within the schedule of the Penn or Drake Relays!

    3. Have more "specialty" meets for the Throws, HJ, PV, Distance, and Sprints. Right now, we have a good (and expanding) schedule of "specialty" meets. But the rarity of fast 10K's, and the expunging of the HT from the DL's, calls for more of these meets. (BTW, someone mentioned the Portland meet next week. There's also a track 10K there on August 9th.)

    In the DL's themselves, expand the schedule of events. Do what Eugene does---hold a special "night before" mini-meet--to include events not normally held during the main TV portion of the meet.

    Don't have the same events every meet.
    Offer the ENTIRE program of events (except the Multis, Marathon, and distance Walks), and let the athletes CHOOSE which event they want to compete in. And give them the option of CHANGING their event every week!

    Bring in MORE athletes. Don't limit it to the Top 10 from the past year, or that year's Top 10 list. Bring in the occasional teenage athlete. If necessary, hold more "B" or "C" events, and make them for EVERYONE, not just that nation's wannabes!

    Make a rule that an athlete MUST compete in one meet to be allowed to compete in the next.
    Except for valid excuses (injury, illness etc), that means that if the athlete doesn't compete in Meet number 1, he/she cant compete in Meet number 2! The athlete would thus lose points. The missing athlete would only have to skip one meet! (The athletes would sign up for a meet at least a few weeks before each meet. If they need to drop out, make a deadline for them to do so without having to forfeit a meet!

    But you know what?
    This is the 21st century, and it ain't gonna happen!

    We live in an era where LESS is MORE, not the other way around.
    A good example comes from baseball.
    30 or 40 years ago, it was common to have 3 or 4 pitchers on your team pitching more than 250 innings.
    Today, it's rare for even ONE pitcher in the entire Major Leagues to reach 250 IP's!

    But there's also the T&F analogy.
    Ron Clarke raced over 50 times a year....and I mean RACED!!

    In the 3 or 4 weeks leading up to Munich, Lasse Viren ran 4 or 5 VERY fast races, including a 2 Mile WR just DAYS before the OG started!

    We're WIMPS today!!

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  • ATK
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    Originally posted by tm71 View Post
    I don't recall the last time there were three weeks till the worlds. It is usually two weeks off. The worlds should be starting on 8/15 not 8/22.
    Seems it is that way every time the WC are in East Asia.

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  • tm71
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    Originally posted by TN1965 View Post
    Perfect time to enjoy some swimming at FINA World Championships.
    Yes starts this weekend

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  • tm71
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    Originally posted by rats123 View Post
    WC can't come soon enough.

    I still think Usain Bolt is under prepared. He should have run the 200m in Stockholm.
    I don't recall the last time there were three weeks till the worlds. It is usually two weeks off. The worlds should be starting on 8/15 not 8/22.

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  • ATK
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    Stockholm kind of showed that many of the top athletes won't show up for another meet as it gets closer to Champs. Look back at some athletes that ended their regular season after Monaco!

    Also this "issue" seems to come up every championship year.
    Last edited by ATK; 08-01-2015, 02:26 AM.

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