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  • Originally posted by tm71 View Post
    Sorry u are right u did state 03, the worlds on Paris during the balco era. I will look at each event and see how each American fared vis a vis their qualifying entry.
    But their qualifying entry doesn't mean much if they are in a slow heat, hit a hurdle, false start, foul three times. What's more important is how they did versus expectation and were the expectations correct or were they overblown.

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    • Originally posted by Alan Shank View Post
      Roleder came into the season with a 12.80 PB. She broke 13 three times early, then had 8 races over 13. In the WC, she ran 12.86, 12.79 for a PB, then knocked 2/10 of a second, not hundredths, off her PB in the final with a slight negative wind. That is amazing! She screamed the last couple of hurdles.
      With Schippers and Roleder today one can't help but wonder if doing multi-events training up to your early twenties is somehow beneficial. Roleder was a solid hurdle runner in her 12.90-13.00 range before she started doing the heptathlon. The first year she did it she lowered her PB a tenth and won bronze at the EC, the second year she shaves off two tenths more and wins silver at the WC.
      I mean this obviously doesn't work for everyone, but is it possible that the multi-event training helps you to develop all your muscles and your coordination?

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      • Multi-event training, done properly, is wonderful for flat speed. You're always working on explosion and acceleration.

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        • Even though specific training is clearly the primary means of development, over-reliance on specificity tends to create the possibility of overuse issues and it's been suggested lowers the ceiling because you have fewer means, avenues of progressing. Mentioned the same thing in the women's 100m thread. The multis training and in particular the multi throws and jumps help to develop some general and specific qualities that perhaps the sprinting along cannot-of course along with a strength program. Naturally a lot of sprint/hurdle programs have adopted these general throws and jumps into their programs.
          Last edited by cladthin; 08-29-2015, 01:42 AM.

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          • Originally posted by Atticus View Post
            Yes, dear, but as expressed elsewhere, the Jamaicans are not faced with the same pressure that the Americans face in deep quality fields (in most, not all) events, like . . . the w100H! The Americans will face a better field in the USATF final than they will at the WC.
            That's a pretty pathetic cop out of an excuse Atticus. The problem is your arguments just falls to pieces when you compare the results of Jamaica v USA.

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            • Originally posted by Tuariki View Post
              As I said frame by frame if you focus on Roleder's eye cintact, that is exactly what happened.
              Besides just going to the video on FB I suggest posters also read some of the comments from the hundreds of Jamaican posters. Is the venom and bile expressed against Roleder that flowed on FB symptomatic of a deep seated national inferiority complex that occasionally manifests itself on this message board?
              'National inferiority' are you serious? inferiority...you need a real lesson about Jamaica and the Caribbean as a whole
              Your comments are generally quite sensible I think, but this discussion has gone one long enough
              Let me give you some context briefly
              We are not there to be defecated on by some bigger countries
              I think the woman was rude that's it, but people felt insulted, and Jamaicans can be very loyal to their own, if you insult one, you insult all and that is how we had to survive from we were brought from the shores of Africa to today, our history had been littered with exploitation by large countries, hell if it wasn't for the slave trade we would not be there, exploitation still goes on and trusting those with global power...well certain types of people represent that and she was one
              it is all intertwined, it is never just one thing
              They vented their anger and most have forgotten about it, I am sure some are idiots and some felt angry and felt personally insulted, respect and manners is a big issue in Jamaica, saying good morning and thank you, growing up you do that, that's part of the culture
              but you guys keep on and on
              I don't have a social media account and chose not to have one because of this very reason, people just vent without thinking much about it and then they get over it, but once it's on the net it is there
              Really this is a much bigger discussion than any of us can hope to unravel
              And to pass judgement on a people based on social media without knowing who they are is another thing
              We have always been fighters despite everything we fight on, that is a big part of the reason that even without adequate resources and sometimes none, we do do well in this sport
              So please people leave this discussion and don't judge a whole nation with a diverse and complex history on social media

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              • Originally posted by cladthin View Post
                Even though specific training is clearly the primary means of development, over-reliance on specificity tends to create the possibility of overuse issues and it's been suggested lowers the ceiling because you have fewer means, avenues of progressing. Mentioned the same thing in the women's 100m thread. The multis training and in particular the multi throws and jumps help to develop some general and specific qualities that perhaps the sprinting along cannot-of course along with a strength program. Naturally a lot of sprint/hurdle programs have adopted these general throws and jumps into their programs.
                wow. So the age old question has been answered. Where does the term Pom come from. The answer - pompous.

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