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    DL standings for events with finals in Brussels
    In order of the meet schedule

    W DT -- Perkovic 22, Perez & Samuels 7
    This one is over, providing Perkovic shows up and competes "in a bona fide way"

    M SP -- Kovacs & Storl 14, Clarke and Hoffa 4
    Well, whoever beats the other in Brussels will win the diamond. They each have 3 wins.

    W TJ -- Ibarguen 20, Rypakova 7, Koneva & Saladukha 4
    Like Perkovic, Ibarguen just has to show up.

    M PV -- Lavillenie 13, Filippidis 10, Wojciechowski, Braz and Kendricks 4
    Lavillenie no-heighted in Berlin. If Filippis wins, he wins the diamond, as
    2nd place only gets 4 points. No one else could pass Lavillenie.

    W HJ -- Beitia 12, Chicherova 6, Kuchina & Licwinko 5 Palsyte and Vlasic 4
    Beitia can clinch the diamond with 2nd or better. If Chicherova wins and Beitia gets 3rd,
    they tie on points and wins, so Chicherova would win on the basis of better result in
    the final. If world champ Kuchina wins (or Licwinko), Beitia would have to not score
    for the former to win the diamond.

    M 400H -- Jackson 14, Dutch 9, Culson 7, Van Zyl 4, Tinsley 3
    Jackson may be unable to compete, and Dutch had a bad championships, as did Culson
    and Tinsley. Wide open if Bershawn cannot compete.

    M 100 -- Gatlin 12, Gay 6, Rodgers & Vicaut 5, Bracy & Powell 4
    Gatlin unlikely to lose this.
    Bolt is running the 200 and has no points, anyway.

    M JT -- Vesely 15, Pitkamaki 9, Walcott & Yego 6
    Pitkamaki is the only one with a chance, could reach 17 with a win, in which case
    Vesely would win with a 2nd, tie with a 3rd. In that case, Pitkamaki would have 3
    wins to 2 for Vesely.

    M TJ -- Pichardo 16, Taylor 14, Craddock 3
    Aside from the diamond race, this should be a great duel, with Pichardo out for
    revenge, both perhaps chasing Edwards' WR. If one of them wins (who else?), he
    also wins the diamond.

    W 200 -- Felix 10, Tarmoh 9, Bowie, McGrone as Schippers 4
    Who cares about the diamond? What a race this should be. Watch out for Bowie, too.
    Felix certainly has the inside track on the diamond, as Schipper could only reach 12
    with a win, so Felix could take the diamond with 2nd or 3rd, as she has two wins
    and Schippers none so far.

    W SC -- Nyambura 15, Ayalew & Kiyeng 9, Ghribi 4
    Nyambura clinches with a 2nd. If Ayalew or Kiyeng wins (17), Nyambura ties with a 3rd,
    but wins the diamond with three race wins.

    M 800 -- The Zurich 800 was not the DL final.
    Amos 12, Rudisha 6, Souleiman 5, Aman & Tuka 4
    Amos ran 1:43 in Berlin, Souleiman is injured, and Tuka may not run (he only has
    contested one DL meet this year, winning Monaco with the WL time. Amos clinches with a
    2nd place; if he gets 3rd, Rudisha could tie him by winning, they would each have two
    wins, but Rudisha would win the diamond based on winning the final.

    W 100H -- Harper-Nelson & Nelvis and Stowers 10, Rollins 5, Porter 3
    This event is incredible! The three leaders each have 2 wins, but neither Rollins
    nor Porter is mathematically eliminated, being able to reach 13 or 11 with a win.
    Harper-Nelson fell in the Zurich non-DL race, but edged Nelvis in Berlin (IWC).
    Stowers ran today (9/6) in Padova, 13.29 into a 2.7 mps wind.

    W 1500 -- Hassan 14, Seyaum 6, Simpson 5, Dibaba, Kipyegon & Muir 4
    Hassan clinches with any points; if Seyaum wins and Hassan is 4th or worse,
    Seyaum would win by virtue of winning the final.

    W 400 -- McCorory 16, McPherson 10, Miller 6, SRR 4
    With 4 wins, McCorory clinches with a 3rd place finish. No one except McPherson
    can catch her.

    M 5000 -- Farah & Kejelcha 6, Gebrhiwet & Longosiwa 5, Ndiku & True 4, I Koech 3,
    Tanui, Alamirew & Willis 2
    This race will decide it, as even Alamirew, Tanui or Willis could reach 10 points;
    nobody has more than one win. If all these run, we will have placers 1-4, 6 and 8
    from the WC, plus the 10,000 gold and bronze medalists.

    There will also be a M 200 featuring Usain Bolt, and a non-DL M 400, scheduled before the TV
    window, so probably not an elite event.

    No provisional entry list yet, but they are advertising some of the matchups, like Felix
    vs. Schippers, Kovacs vs. Storl.

    Cheers,
    Alan Shank

  • #2
    Originally posted by Alan Shank View Post
    W 200 -- Felix 10, Tarmoh 9, Bowie, McGrone as Schippers 4
    Who cares about the diamond? What a race this should be.
    Who cares about the diamond? Well, with a $40,000 prize for winning the diamond race, I imagine that at least some of the athletes you've named care.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by tandfman View Post
      Who cares about the diamond? Well, with a $40,000 prize for winning the diamond race, I imagine that at least some of the athletes you've named care.
      Well, I was referring to US, not them.
      BTW, the "multi-quote" button does not seem to work.
      Cheers,
      Alan Shank

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      • #4
        Provisional entry lists now out. I will interleave the entries after the diamond standings.

        W DT -- Perkovic 22, Perez & Samuels 7
        This one is over, providing Perkovic shows up and competes "in a bona fide way"

        W DT -- Caballero, Muller, Perez, Perkovic, Robert-Michon, Fischer, Craft

        M SP -- Kovacs & Storl 14, Clarke and Hoffa 4
        Well, whoever beats the other in Brussels will win the diamond. They each have 3 wins.

        M SP -- Hoffa, Kolasinac, Kovacs, Majewski, Richard, Storl, Walsh, Whiting

        W TJ -- Ibarguen 20, Rypakova 7, Koneva & Saladukha 4
        Like Perkovic, Ibarguen just has to show up.

        W TJ -- Ibarguen, Knyazheva-Minenko, Koneva, Rypakova, Petrova, Williams

        M PV -- Lavillenie 13, Filippidis 10, Wojciechowski, Braz and Kendricks 4
        Lavillenie no-heighted in Berlin. If Filippidis wins, he wins the diamond, as
        2nd place only gets 4 points. No one else could pass Lavillenie.

        M PV -- Barber, Filippidis, Holzdeppe, Kendricks, Lavillenie, Menaldo, Scherbarth, Wojciechowsk

        W HJ -- Beitia 12, Chicherova 6, Kuchina & Licwinko 5 Palsyte and Vlasic 4
        Beitia can clinch the diamond with 2nd or better. If Chicherova wins and Beitia gets 3rd,
        they tie on points and wins, so Chicherova would win on the basis of better result in
        the final. If world champ Kuchina wins (or Licwinko), Beitia would have to not score
        for the former to win the diamond.

        W HJ -- Beitia, Chicherova, Kuchina, Lake, Licwinko, Simic

        M 400H -- Jackson 14, Dutch 9, Culson 7, Van Zyl 4, Tinsley 3
        Jackson may be unable to compete, and Dutch had a bad championships, as did Culson
        and Tinsley. Wide open if Bershawn cannot compete.

        M 400H -- Bett, Dutch, Hussein, Jackson, Tumuti, Van Zyl
        No Tinsley, no Culson, no Kudryavtsev

        M 100 -- Gatlin 12, Gay 6, Rodgers & Vicaut 5, Bracy & Powell 4
        Gatlin unlikely to lose this.
        Bolt is running the 200 and has no points, anyway.

        M 100 -- Carter, Gatlin, Ogunode, Powell, Simbine, Ujah, Vicaut

        M JT -- Vesely 15, Pitkamaki 9, Walcott & Yego 6
        Pitkamaki is the only one with a chance, could reach 17 with a win, in which case
        Vesely would win with a 2nd, tie with a 3rd. In that case, Pitkamaki would have 3
        wins to 2 for Vesely.

        M JT -- Abdelrahman (El Sayed), Pitkamaki, Rohler, Vesely, Walcott, Yego

        M TJ -- Pichardo 16, Taylor 14, Craddock 3
        Aside from the diamond race, this should be a great duel, with Pichardo out for
        revenge, both perhaps chasing Edwards' WR. If one of them wins (who else?), he
        also wins the diamond.

        M TJ -- Adams, Copello, Craddock, Evora, Pichardo, Sorokin, Taylor

        W 200 -- Felix 10, Tarmoh 9, Bowie, McGrone as Schippers 4
        Who cares about the diamond? What a race this should be. Watch out for Bowie, too.
        Felix certainly has the inside track on the diamond, as Schipper could only reach 12
        with a win, so Felix could take the diamond with 2nd or 3rd, as she has two wins
        and Schippers none so far.

        W 200 -- Felix, McGrone, Schippers. Tarmoh, Thompson
        No Bowie; too bad.

        W SC -- Nyambura 15, Ayalew & Kiyeng 9, Ghribi 4
        Nyambura clinches with a 2nd. If Ayalew or Kiyeng wins (17), Nyambura ties with a 3rd,
        but wins the diamond with three race wins.

        W SC -- Assefa, Ayalew, Chepkurui, Coburn, Ghribi, Kiyeng, Nyambura

        M 800 -- The Zurich 800 was not the DL final.
        Amos 12, Rudisha 6, Souleiman 5, Aman & Tuka 4
        Amos ran 1:43 in Berlin, Souleiman is injured, and Tuka may not run (he only has
        contested one DL meet this year, winning Monaco with the WL time. Amos clinches with a
        2nd place; if he gets 3rd, Rudisha could tie him by winning, they would each have two
        wins, but Rudisha would win the diamond based on winning the final.

        M 800 -- Aman, Amos, Belhanbel, Biwott, Bosse, Kipketer, Kiprop, Kszczot, Manangoi, Tuka
        No Rudisha. No Bram Som, either. Note 3 1500 men. Don't know who is pacemaker.

        W 100H -- Harper-Nelson & Nelvis and Stowers 10, Rollins 5, Porter 3
        This event is incredible! The three leaders each have 2 wins, but neither Rollins
        nor Porter is mathematically eliminated, being able to reach 13 or 11 with a win.
        Harper-Nelson fell in the Zurich non-DL race, but edged Nelvis in Berlin (IWC).
        Stowers ran today (9/6) in Padova, 13.29 into a 2.7 mps wind.

        W 100H -- Harper-Nelson, Nelvis, Porter, Roleder, Stowers, Talay

        W 1500 -- Hassan 14, Seyaum 6, Simpson 5, Dibaba, Kipyegon & Muir 4
        Hassan clinches with any points; if Seyaum wins and Hassan is 4th or worse,
        Seyaum would win by virtue of winning the final.

        W 1500 -- Akkaoui, Arafi, Aregawi, Cherono, Cichocka, Embaye, Ennaoui, Hassan, Kibiwot, Kipyegon, Rowbury, Seyaum, Simpson
        No Dibaba. Having the finals in the 800/5000 a week ahead of this allows some good
        doubling. Looks like Chanelle Price and Renata Plis will set pace.

        W 400 -- McCorory 16, McPherson 10, Miller 6, SRR 4
        With 4 wins, McCorory clinches with a 3rd place finish. No one except McPherson
        can catch her.

        W 400 -- Day, Gayot, Guei, Hastings, McCorory, McPherson, Miller, Williams-Mills

        M 5000 -- Farah & Kejelcha 6, Gebrhiwet & Longosiwa 5, Ndiku & True 4, I Koech 3,
        Tanui, Alamirew & Willis 2
        This race will decide it, as even Alamirew, Tanui or Willis could reach 10 points;
        nobody has more than one win. If all these run, we will have placers 1-4, 6 and 8
        from the WC, plus the 10,000 gold and bronze medalists.

        M 5000 -- Alamirew, Gebrhiwet, Haji, Iguider, Kaya, Kejelcha, Kipsang, I Koech, Longosiwa, Ndiku, Rupp, True, Hill
        Amine Laalou is probably a pacemaker, plus Vincent Rono. Farah not trying for the diamond.

        non-DL M 200 -- Ashmeade, J Borlee, Edward, Gatlin, Jobodwana, Makwala, Van Niekerk, I Young
        Gatlin could be severely tested here. Earlier article said "Gatlin in 100,
        Bolt in 200", so I guess they asked Gatlin to double after Bolt pulled out.

        non-DL M 400 -- D and K Borlee, Clemons, Gillet, Matthews, McDonald, Quow

        Cheers,
        Alan Shank
        Last edited by Alan Shank; 09-07-2015, 06:13 PM.

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        • #5
          Bumping for tomorrow's updates...

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          • #6
            Looks like Thijmen Kupers of the Netherlands will be the pacemaker in men's 800. Personally, I've never heard of him. It's curious they couldn't get Som for the DL final (just saw him doing a great job pacing in Berlin last week).

            Kupers has PRs of 1:45.28 (this year) and 48.44 (2012). If they are wanting the usual 49.5 split, he will really be working for that I'd imagine.

            19 starters, plus 2 pacemakers in the men's 5K ... sheesh! Is it just me or does that seem like a few too many? Especially for a DL final.

            In the past the start lists on the DL site has had the pacers indicated and also the splits they are supposed to be hitting. Unfortunately no splits given this time.

            I'm hoping they set up something fairly quick for the 5K (12:50-55) but I'm not getting my hopes up at all about that ... Seems like no one has been willing to go after a faster time for the last 2 years now (world lead last year 12:54, but only 4 total sub-13s, 3 in Stockholm and 1 in Paris and 12:58 WL so far this year).

            The 5K has been odd of late to me ... of all those sub-12:50 guys from Paris 3 years ago, you have Gebremeskel briefly moving up to 10K, then coming back to the 5 only to be second-tier since; I. Koech seems to have gotten a bit worse each year, only 13:07 this year; Kipkoech is no where to be seen; Alamriew has fallen off a bit each year since as well, esp. this year (13:22); Longosiwa has been best Kenyan other than Ndiku, yet didn't even make World's; Gebrhiwet has been most consistent, but bad year last year and out injured most of this year.

            Add in potential up-and-comers like Edris (12:54 last year) deciding or being told to do 10K this year (a disaster) and Rop (12:51 in 2013) with only 13:06 best last 2 years and not really in contention at any big races; Ndiku injured this year ... it's no wonder Farah has his way in the 5K since 2011. Seems like there is no steady, consistent competition.

            Not to say Farah isn't clearly the best the last few years. 3:28 to 59:30 is clearly very, very special.

            Perhaps it is usually that way though, back in the days of Geb and Bekele and even back farther than that ... I haven't been following long enough or done the research to know for sure.
            Last edited by HasBeenNeverWas; 09-11-2015, 06:36 AM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Alan Shank View Post
              W 100H -- Harper-Nelson & Nelvis and Stowers 10, Rollins 5, Porter 3
              This event is incredible! The three leaders each have 2 wins, but neither Rollins
              nor Porter is mathematically eliminated, being able to reach 13 or 11 with a win.
              Harper-Nelson fell in the Zurich non-DL race, but edged Nelvis in Berlin (IWC).
              Stowers ran today (9/6) in Padova, 13.29 into a 2.7 mps wind.

              Thanks for some nice insights. I just want to point out that Harper-Nelson did not race in the non-DL 100Hurdles race in Zurich. The race she fell in was the semi final of the World Championship.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by IloveFelix View Post
                Thanks for some nice insights. I just want to point out that Harper-Nelson did not race in the non-DL 100Hurdles race in Zurich. The race she fell in was the semi final of the World Championship.
                Right! Too many damn meets to keep track of; nice problem.
                Cheers,
                Alan Shank

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by HasBeenNeverWas View Post
                  Looks like Thijmen Kupers of the Netherlands will be the pacemaker in men's 800. Personally, I've never heard of him. It's curious they couldn't get Som for the DL final (just saw him doing a great job pacing in Berlin last week).

                  Kupers has PRs of 1:45.28 (this year) and 48.44 (2012). If they are wanting the usual 49.5 split, he will really be working for that I'd imagine.
                  If he can run 1:45.28, I'm pretty sure he can run faster than 48.44. PRs at shorter distances are usually unrealistic due to few races. In any case, there is really no point in having the hare run 49.5, because they are not likely to do 1:42.xx at this stage.

                  They need to get real with this pacemaking business, give them a target that somebody in the race actually intends to follow, and impress upon them the importance of keeping the pace up after the first lap (in races > 800).
                  Cheers,
                  Alan Shank

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                  • #10
                    Perkovic wins DT 67.50 to 65.77 for Caballero.
                    Cheers,
                    Alan Shank

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                    • #11
                      great battle going on in the mSP, where Storl and Kovacs are tied for the lead coming in (but Walsh threatening an upset halfway through, although only S or K can win the overall)

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                      • #12
                        Kovacs won't be better than 3rd today. What will Storl do on his last throw?

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                        • #13
                          overall win to Kovacs

                          1 WALSH Tom NZL 1 MAR 1992 19.19 20.66 21.39 20.48 20.88 21.35 21.39 9 3
                          2 RICHARDS O'Dayne JAM 14 DEC 1988 21.37 x 20.50 x x x 21.37 4 4
                          3 KOVACS Joe USA 28 JUN 1989 20.70 20.45 20.25 21.35 x 20.65 21.35 16 1
                          4 STORL David GER 27 JUL 1990 20.71 21.09 20.87 x 20.89 20.90 21.09 14 2
                          5 WHITING Ryan USA 24 NOV 1986 19.74 x 20.55 20.51 20.16 20.58 20.58 2 6
                          6 KOLAŠINAC Asmir SRB 15 OCT 1984 20.26 x 20.21 x 20.35 x 20.35
                          7 MAJEWSKI Tomasz POL 30 AUG 1981 19.93 19.91 20.06 20.34 x 19.85 20.34
                          8 HOFFA Reese USA 8 OCT 1977 18.85 19.59 19.76 x x 19.48 19.76 4 4
                          ARNAUDOV Tsanko POR 14 MAR 1992 x x x NM

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Alan Shank View Post
                            In any case, there is really no point in having the hare run 49.5, because they are not likely to do 1:42.xx at this stage.
                            I agree 49.5 is likely a bit too swift, but if you factor in the (good) chance of the field laying off that a bit, that puts the real leader through in 50, or a tad under, setting them up pretty well.

                            It just seems like when they are (they being the meet director in this case, I imagine) wanting a fast race, 49.5 always seems like the standard for whatever rabbit they have. I haven't seen any rabbits going out in 48-high to 49-low lately, like in the prime Rudisha years.

                            If they would really stick with the pacer, 49.8-50.0 would be better, I think. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a sub-1:43 today actually. Amos just ran 1:43.28 in Berlin last week, winning by a mile. Som took him out just under 49.5 then a second pacer lasted until 550. Amos hit 600 in 1:15.6 I believe ... on track for a 1:42-low I thought, but faded the last 100.

                            With better competition today and maybe a bit less ambitious early pace, I could easily see him breaking 1:43. Maybe even dragging someone else with him (Ferguson Rotich perhaps?) or even Tuka running him down again, if Tuka isn't too tired at this point (long season with lots of PRs).

                            Hopefully we won't see a replay of that somewhat bizarre (to me anyway) Zurich 800 ...

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                            • #15
                              Is Ibarg├╝en's monster win streak about to come to an end?

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