Brussels 1500 for Women changed to a Mile

[glimp5k]

The originally scheduled Women's 1500 at the Ivo Van Damme DL meet on Friday was changed to a Women's Mile. I wonder what was the last time that a big European Invitational featured a Woman's Mile? Its a shame that Dibaba is not running; it would have been very interesting what kind of time she could have run.

[AS]

I wonder what was the last time that a big European Invitational featured a Woman's Mile?

It's been a very long time. In 2008 Rieti staged one (won by Burka in 4:18.23 #10 alltime). And in 2007 Brussels featured one (won by Jamal in 4.17.75 - #8 alltime). They are the only Top 10 times this millennium.

Miles have been pretty much the domain of meets in Dublin and Falmouth PA otherwise.

[Zap]

This doesn't make much sense UNLESS she was running and going for the WR. But since she is not I don't get it.

She's not in her 3:50.07 form now, but still could get the mile WR

[Sasuke]

Wonderful idea, I still can't get why men have always at least two miles (Eugene and Oslo) while women NEVER have one. I hope next year in Monaco they have one or a w3000 in order to make Genzebe have a shot at it. If Hassan or Kypiegon decided to go after the mile record I could see one of them making it. Very hard, but not impossible. Kypiegon hasn't raced since 1500 final and was in great shape there. 3.55 shape at least.

[AS]

We shouldn't underestimate the quality of the Masterkova's mile record. 4.12.56. The Milesplit calculator converts that to 3.53.92 for a 1500m.

So we're asking anyone other than Dibaba to run a 1500m PR by 2-3 secs then keep going for another 109m!!

Rowbury or Simpson could get Slaney's AR of 4.16.71 if they can manage 3.57.7 pace...

Dibabs' 3.50 equates to 4:08.41 for the mile!

[Zap]

True, I don't see anyone other than Genz breaking the mile right now. Hassan ran to her extreme in Monaco and was pulled by Genz and still only managed a 3:56. I think she can get faster, but not this year.

I like Sifan, she has that strange herky jerky stride, but a huge heart, runs to win and never backs down. I see big things ahead for her.

[26mi235]

We shouldn't underestimate the quality of the Masterkova's mile record. 4.12.56. The Milesplit calculator converts that to 3.53.92 for a 1500m.

So we're asking anyone other than Dibaba to run a 1500m PR by 2-3 secs then keep going for another 109m!!

Rowbury or Simpson could get Slaney's AR of 4.16.71 if they can manage 3.57.7 pace...

Dibabs' 3.50 equates to 4:08.41 for the mile!

You mis-interpret what the 'convert' term means. It does not mean that if you continue to go at the same pace you will get that mark; rather the longer distance is at a slower pace overall. Hitting the 'converted' mark of 3:53.92 and continuing at the same pace would give 4:10.97. The pace at 1500 is 6.4124 m/sec, while for the mile is 6.3921 m/sec, and the 'incremental addition averages only 5.8655 m/sec.

That is why the conversion factor (usually listed as 8% or 7.9%) is larger than the 7.29% that the increment to get to the mile is above the 1500.

[aaronk]

I know I'm not supposed to advertise my blog here----except on Free Speech weekend!
But I just posted a DETAILED preview of this one race!
I tell the possibilities for World, Meet, Place (2nd through 10th), Age (individual years---there's TEN different ages represented!), and National (7 NR's up for grabs!) records!
I also give approximate 1500 splits needed for each record!

As for the earlier comments about 1500-to-mile differentials, I give my predictions as being CONTINUATIONS of a 1500 for another 109 meters, NOT as some mathematical formula some mad scientist created in a lab somewhere near Transylvania!!

With 16 seconds being a possibility for those able to go through 1500 in 3:56, that puts Hassan and Rowbury as the ones most capable to break the WR!

BTW, Chanelle Price just tweeted she'll be setting a World Record pace as the rabbit!!



LOL

[Sasuke]

According to the IAAF Sifan Hassan is officially going after the WR. The mile was put instead of the 1500 because Dibaba was originally scheduled to attack Masterkova's mark. But after her recent "lack" of shape, she decided to call it a season BUT Hassan asked them to keep the mile because she wanted to try. I don't think she will get it, and I fear she will be beaten by Kypiegon on the last homestretch. But, she is a brave competitor, I like her. She was the only one to go with "Baby Baby" in Monaco and missed a PR for nothing. Then she raced in a men-paced race to get a better mark but ran again 3.56; in last periods she ran many 800s so her speed should be ok. Let's see what happens, for sure somebody will follow the rabbit, since I don't think they would have asked Price otherwise.

[Zap]

According to the IAAF Sifan Hassan is officially going after the WR. The mile was put instead of the 1500 because Dibaba was originally scheduled to attack Masterkova's mark. But after her recent "lack" of shape, she decided to call it a season BUT Hassan asked them to keep the mile because she wanted to try. I don't think she will get it, and I fear she will be beaten by Kypiegon on the last homestretch. But, she is a brave competitor, I like her. She was the only one to go with "Baby Baby" in Monaco and missed a PR for nothing. Then she raced in a men-paced race to get a better mark but ran again 3.56; in last periods she ran many 800s so her speed should be ok. Let's see what happens, for sure somebody will follow the rabbit, since I don't think they would have asked Price otherwise.

I'm surprised Genz did not go for this, even with her legs too dead to beat Ayana, I still think she could have gotten this done.

I hope Sifan gets it. Again, wouldn't bet on it now, based on her shape, she should get close though. It's not a super difficult record. Kipyegon could surprise too, she looked very strong in Beijing and her legs will be fresher

[26mi235]

With 16 seconds being a possibility for those able to go through 1500 in 3:56, that puts Hassan and Rowbury as the ones most capable to break the WR!
LOL

On that basis, I think you are really missing it because I get SAFP edging DS by 1.2 seconds with a time of 2:52.8; why figure on any slow down and maybe she will continue on for the marathon record in 1:15:30. Aaron, it is not an assumption, it is simply a lot of data that shows that the relationship is about an 8% difference, not a 7.2% difference.

[NotDutra5]

As for the earlier comments about 1500-to-mile differentials, I give my predictions as being CONTINUATIONS of a 1500 for another 109 meters, NOT as some mathematical formula some mad scientist created in a lab somewhere near Transylvania!!

Then you choose to ignore common sense.

[gh]

You mis-interpret what the 'convert' term means. It does not mean that if you continue to go at the same pace you will get that mark; rather the longer distance is at a slower pace overall. Hitting the 'converted' mark of 3:53.92 and continuing at the same pace would give 4:10.97. The pace at 1500 is 6.4124 m/sec, while for the mile is 6.3921 m/sec, and the 'incremental addition averages only 5.8655 m/sec.

That is why the conversion factor (usually listed as 8% or 7.9%) is larger than the 7.29% that the increment to get to the mile is above the 1500.

And so we're clear, the 8% figure was derived close to a half-century ago, when it was noted that if you plotted 1500 and mile WRs (men), most of the data coming from the days when the studs ran both close to equally, that the figure was remarkably accurate when plotted on a graph.

It's what's called, as I recall,"speed decay"; one is calculating what somebody in a 1500 race would have run if they had run a whole mile. Has NOTHING to do with whatever finish is in that race. The added time is from the pace over the 1500 segment as a whole. It's pretty simple concept, once you wrap your head around it.

[HasBeenNeverWas]

Wonderful idea, I still can't get why men have always at least two miles (Eugene and Oslo) while women NEVER have one. I hope next year in Monaco they have one or a w3000 in order to make Genzebe have a shot at it. If Hassan or Kypiegon decided to go after the mile record I could see one of them making it. Very hard, but not impossible. Kypiegon hasn't raced since 1500 final and was in great shape there. 3.55 shape at least.

I agree, it's very odd. I think this will be the first women's mile I've seen (live) since I started following T&F, haha. I remember the one in Rieti, 2008, but that was before the days of every mid-level to big meet being streamed online (for me at least).

The men have at least 3 a year though, right? Bowerman mile (Eugene), Dream mile (Oslo) and Emsley Carr mile (Birmingham). On the subject of men's miles, I also find it odd that they very rarely go after a fast time. 3:49.xx seems to be the standard winning time (equivalent of 3:32.xx 1500 I believe).

If this race is fast, I wonder how close to Slaney's AR Rowbury or Simpson can get? 4:16.71 (4th all-time and just 0.9 off WR at the time) is certainly no weak mark, in spite of the rarity of women's miles.

It looks like Chanelle Price (just ran 1:59.99 in Berlin) will have pacing duties (along with Cichocka, PRs of 54, 2:00.2 and 4:03) ... can she pace another world record? Perhaps she will be good luck for Hassan (or Kipyegon?)

[Zap]

To be honest that last 100m of a mile can be an absolute killer. When they have been running 1500 all season and now need to dig further.