Carl Lewis long jump comments

[einnod23]

They do care but not for the speed guys. Reaction to snap counts is very important for interior linemen.

For what it was worth, in 2014, Michael Sam did have two false starts. And whether that pick of him in the 7th round was due to 'Roger demands', who knows........!

Back to Carl and the bad jumpers......!

[booond]

Also, NFL scouts don't care about reaction time

They do care but not for the speed guys. Reaction to snap counts is very important for interior linemen.

[jazzcyclist]

Now you're deflecting. Earlier you said that football players would get smoked in the 100 by track athletes. I challenge you show a single post on this board by someone disagreeing this Also, NFL scouts don't care about reaction time, so why do you continue to harp on the timing system?

[WC110s]

I beg to differ. There are numerous threads on here that takes the nfl 40yd times as gospel & attempts to compare those times with track athletes. If the nfl is going to hype itself as having "the best athletes in the world" & knowing withhold the real FAT times, what does that tell you?

[jazzcyclist]

I've never put too much stock in those 40yd (37meter) times. The nfl is all about propaganda & hype. The nfl experimented with FAT times at the combine a few years ago. After seeing that those "4.2-4.3" guys were actually 4.6 guys when timed at FAT the nfl scrapped the idea & didn't release the Real times. The nfl's timing system doesn't take into account "reaction" time first of all-and in a 37 meter race reaction time is huge.

The NFL isn't concerned with reaction time, and why should they when it's irrelevant to their sport?

37m Is not a test of speed anyhow. It's a test of quickness. A lot of those guys who run well in the nfl 37m would be absolutely smoked in a legit 100m. World Class runners don't really start running until 50-60m.

This is a straw man since no one on this board has said or even implied that the 40-yard dash has much relevance to the 100-meter dash.

[WC110s]

I've never put too much stock in those 40yd (37meter) times. The nfl is all about propaganda & hype. The nfl experimented with FAT times at the combine a few years ago. After seeing that those "4.2-4.3" guys were actually 4.6 guys when timed at FAT the nfl scrapped the idea & didn't release the Real times. The nfl's timing system doesn't take into account "reaction" time first of all-and in a 37 meter race reaction time is huge. 37m Is not a test of speed anyhow. It's a test of quickness. A lot of those guys who run well in the nfl 37m would be absolutely smoked in a legit 100m. World Class runners don't really start running until 50-60m.

[booond]

Yeah, I thought about that too. Someone needs to ask Lewis why his jumpers aren't doing any better.

Cam Burrell was 6th in the USATF last year. And won NACAC.

[jazzcyclist]

And what makes it also interesting is that the Houston coaching staff, which includes the very talkative Lewis, has hall-of-fame names on its coaching staff, Burrell, Tellez, Lewis, Ferguson, but whose jumpers can't crack the NCAA Champs top 16! Go figure!

Yeah, I thought about that too. Someone needs to ask Lewis why his jumpers aren't doing any better.

[einnod23]

wow,that is a very sad bottom half to an NCAA championship. While Im skeptical that there are 28+ LJers lurking on every NFL/NBA team, these results remind us of the horrible participation levels in the mens LJ.

And what makes it also interesting is that the Houston coaching staff, which includes the very talkative Lewis, has hall-of-fame names on its coaching staff, Burrell, Tellez, Lewis, Ferguson, but whose jumpers can't crack the NCAA Champs top 16! Go figure!

[NotDutra5]

0.07-0.09s means a variation of 0.02s from runner to runner. 0.02s is pretty consistent for a human, and for reasons that have already been discussed, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that there's a variation of 0.02s in the electronic hand pad starting system.

The NFL has been using Gorscak for many years, but when he retires, I doubt that the next starter will be consistently in 0.07-0.09 range. The ideal starting system would be an electronic device that starts when the starting blocks sense pressure, but the problem is that they don't use blocks at the Combine.

Gorscak's not the guy who does the starting. According to the guy who runs the timing system, it is Terrance Gray. Gorscak is apparently the "whistle" guy we hear when there is what amounts to a false start. So he's the stopper.

However, he says that due to well-trained scouts, the combine's system of starting times by hand and stopping electronically is the closest he has seen to fully automated.

"Terrance, who starts the time from five yards up the field does a tremendous job at the combine," said Weinstein, naming Minnesota Vikings scout Terrance Gray, who has handled that chore for several years. "With him starting and our electronic finish, the difference from fully automated is in the hundredths of a second, .07 to .09.

[jazzcyclist]

I looked into this further and apparently the NFL has the FAT system in place which we've mentioned but doesn't announce those times. They have a "guy" who's quick with the watch who starts the timer at first movement.

The owner of the FAT system the NFL uses says the "guy" is good and is generally off by only 7 to 9 hundreths per player.

So I stand corrected and the coach is apparently speaking the truth.

It's all out there on the googly thing if one wishes to research.

0.07-0.09s means a variation of 0.02s from runner to runner. 0.02s is pretty consistent for a human, and for reasons that have already been discussed, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that there's a variation of 0.02s in the electronic hand pad starting system.

The NFL has been using Gorscak for many years, but when he retires, I doubt that the next starter will be consistently in 0.07-0.09 range. The ideal starting system would be an electronic device that starts when the starting blocks sense pressure, but the problem is that they don't use blocks at the Combine.

[NotDutra5]

What do you think "we" means? I took it to mean humans, not electronic devices.

I looked into this further and apparently the NFL has the FAT system in place which we've mentioned but doesn't announce those times. They have a "guy" who's quick with the watch who starts the timer at first movement.

The owner of the FAT system the NFL uses says the "guy" is good and is generally off by only 7 to 9 hundreths per player.

So I stand corrected and the coach is apparently speaking the truth.

It's all out there on the googly thing if one wishes to research.

[jazzcyclist]

What do you think "we" means? I took it to mean humans, not electronic devices.

[NotDutra5]

Gorscak "we go on your movement".

[jazzcyclist]

Not correct. It is first movement and measured electronically.

I know for a fact that Mark Gorscak used to start the players by hand, and based on this 2014 article, he still was two years ago.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24450827/nfl-combine-whistle-blower-gets-40-started

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC0R1Paj0tA