Jasmine Todd

[cubehead]

Other than the one or two people like you with nothing better to do, the rest of the world doesn't know who the hell Jasmine Todd, and the few who do (excluding you of course) do not give a toss why she left UO.

I went to Oregon. I saw the title of this thread and I had no idea who she was.

[aaronk]

I went to Oregon. I saw the title of this thread and I had no idea who she was.

You're on this site, and you don't know who Todd is?
She ran 10.92 at the 2015 USATF meet, and LJ'ed 22-5.25 there too!
She placed 3rd in the 100, so went to the WC in Beijing.
She ran anchor on the 2nd place US team there in the 4X100.

She was considered the 2nd best woman sprinter on UO's team in 2015, behind only Jenna Prandini!

[bruce3404]

The one issue with Todd I'd be concerned with are eligibility issues going forward. Bruce's comments did not mention those.

Given that she was eligible to compete at Regionals and the Championships, I don't think that eligibility would explain the issues.

[NotDutra5]

Given that she was eligible to compete at Regionals and the Championships, I don't think that eligibility would explain the issues.

She didn't and won't compete at either so I'm not sure we know anything in that regard in a definitive sense.

What doesn't make sense, in nearly any scenario save health, is the fact that she was ready to go even a few hours before her event and then didn't go and appeared to remain with the team. So I don't think we can eliminate any explanation.

[ATK]

You're on this site, and you don't know who Todd is?
She ran 10.92 at the 2015 USATF meet, and LJ'ed 22-5.25 there too!
She placed 3rd in the 100, so went to the WC in Beijing.
She ran anchor on the 2nd place US team there in the 4X100.

She was considered the 2nd best woman sprinter on UO's team in 2015, behind only Jenna Prandini!

Todd did not even place top 3 in any NCAA event last year and outside of big names, most would have to search to remember who made top 3 to world champs every year. Also, she severely under performed in Beijing last year and has done nothing of note this year in the NCAA.

Unless your really following, shes not a prominent name.

[cladthin]

My guess is that obsession that seems to be about Todd's moves has a lot more to do with people wanting to discover if there is an issue with the Oregon program and not as much about her specifically. I'm not suggesting there is a problem with the recent departures.

[Waterbuffalo]

My guess is that obsession that seems to be about Todd's moves has a lot more to do with people wanting to discover if there is an issue with the Oregon program and not as much about her specifically. I'm not suggesting there is a problem with the recent departures.

Speaking for only myself, I'd say it differently: this thread started because of the timing and suddenness of a high-quality athlete's departure. Further reflection found this to be another of multiple departures, over an apparently brief time span, of similarly high-quality athletes of the same gender from the same program. Both the individual occurrence and apparent pattern over time are remarkable and, in my opinion, worthy of question and further information to better understand if these things are within norms of the sport.

[booond]

I'd say it differently: this thread started because of the timing and suddenness of a high-quality athlete's departure.

Exactly. Just before she was about to run a high profile athlete - finalist WC LJ, semifinalist WC 100 and relay medalist - withdraws or is stopped from participating brings up a question. Why?

[cladthin]

I'm not sure what you are saying is all that different than what I said. By obsession I'll clarify that I'm not speaking of what spurred on the initial inquiries for you or others but rather what's driving the seemingly continued need to know what happened? If there were not other recent instances of early departures from the high profile program, the desire to know what specifically caused her to leave the program would drop dramatically-IMO.

[Waterbuffalo]

...I'm not speaking of what spurred on the initial inquiries for you or others but rather what's driving the seemingly continued need to know what happened? If there were not other recent instances of early departures from the high profile program, the desire to know what specifically caused her to leave the program would drop dramatically-IMO.

Cladthin, if I read you right we agree the enthusiasm for speculation is fascinating. But I think the general interest to know more is reasonable and natural in these circumstances, and to be expected given the absence of facts from either the individual or her program. So, on the one hand it would seem no one "owes" anyone else disclosure about what contributed to Ms. Todd's decision, and on the other hand it seems sensible that folks continue to wonder.

I think differently about the associated programmatic questions. The program at hand is of a publicly-funded university and is vested with expectation not just to win championships but to nurture extraordinary young people so that they thrive and achieve their highest personal potential. If in fact the pattern of programmatic departures is not normal, I think the public at large has a right and in fact a responsibility to know more about why ( i.e. not just us mavens of this obscure discussion board).

[cladthin]

Cladthin, if I read you right we agree the enthusiasm for speculation is fascinating. But I think the general interest to know more is reasonable and natural in these circumstances, and to be expected given the absence of facts from either the individual or her program. So, on the one hand it would seem no one "owes" anyone else disclosure about what contributed to Ms. Todd's decision, and on the other hand it seems sensible that folks continue to wonder.

I think differently about the associated programmatic questions. The program at hand is of a publicly-funded university and is vested with expectation not just to win championships but to nurture extraordinary young people so that they thrive and achieve their highest personal potential. If in fact the pattern of programmatic departures is not normal, I think the public at large has a right and in fact a responsibility to know more about why ( i.e. not just us mavens of this obscure discussion board).

I was not at all saying it is inappropriate, unnatural nor unexpected to inquire about why she left so there was no criticism of an inquiry on my part. I was simply speculating on what I thought was the reason or reasons for driving the continued questioning for many (not all) people. I do feel that for many, eventually it's less about the individual- IMO- and more about the institution that may or may not be experiencing a high rate of departure, low retention rates-at least that seems to be the perception. I find no issue with people wanting to know why only commenting on why it was some people continued to press the subject. My comments had nothing to do with a right to know why.

[aaronk]

These discussions or arguments about a person's "obligation" or NON-obligation to reveal all reminds me of our beloved government!
When THEY want to keep something from the public, they just don't say anything.
They believe---falsely---that if you don't say anything, the public will lose interest.
But the LESS they say, the MORE this "secret" gets talked about!!

It's maybe a reverse Catch-22.
LOL

[Tuariki]

Actually you are of cpourse right aaronk.

Todd is public property and therefore she should be required to appear on Fox News with Insane Hannity and then on to Ellen de Generate and forced to confess all. And finally she should be required to do a cameo on the Khardashians where she should re-enact out what made her leave UO.

[aaronk]

Actually you are of cpourse right aaronk.

Todd is public property and therefore she should be required to appear on Fox News with Insane Hannity and then on to Ellen de Generate and forced to confess all. And finally she should be required to do a cameo on the Khardashians where she should re-enact out what made her leave UO.

Insane Hannity
Ellen De Generate

You left out Bill O'REALLY!
LOL

[gh]

interesting that on some NCAA material we saw today she ws listed as a relay alternate!