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    aaronk
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  • aaronk
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    Originally posted by exdrake View Post
    "was the wind and "high" temp the reason the men ran 2:09?"

    I missed the race accidentally--I usually try to take it in on desktop while moving paper/working.

    I've been trying to get a feel for the races from comments here and trying to understand such impressive ladies times vs men's 2:09--did the men cruise for first half then start racing?

    I kinda settled on noting how close in time Hasay was to the proven world class marathoners she trailed...no matter if some tailwind (and it was hot) --very impressive on that basis to me.
    Men hit the half in 1:04:35, so the winner ran 1:05:02 for 2nd half!
    Women (including Hasay) hit the half in 1:12:33.
    So Kiplagat ran 1:09:19 for her 2nd half, while Hasay ran 1:10:27---VERY impressive negative splits for both women!

    The men were cruising the 2nd half---until Kirui put down the hammer with a 4:24 mile!

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  • exdrake
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  • exdrake
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    "was the wind and "high" temp the reason the men ran 2:09?"

    I missed the race accidentally--I usually try to take it in on desktop while moving paper/working.

    I've been trying to get a feel for the races from comments here and trying to understand such impressive ladies times vs men's 2:09--did the men cruise for first half then start racing?

    I kinda settled on noting how close in time Hasay was to the proven world class marathoners she trailed...no matter if some tailwind (and it was hot) --very impressive on that basis to me.

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  • exdrake
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  • exdrake
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    "Switzer has also taken advantage of the "first woman to run Boston" theme and built a bit of a legacy around it."

    Didn't she also claim performing first heart transplant?

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  • 26mi235
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  • 26mi235
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    The course was not that fast or there would not have been so many dropping off even before Kipligat and Kirui/Rupp lit things up. Kipligat's finish was absolutely stunning with the 5:01 mile up the hill. After the hill, it is mostly downhill, of course, but unless the wind was the right vector (supposedly a WNW wind is better than the WSW wind that they were expecting) and on a warm day a tailwind can reduce your cooling. Also, the listed wind if for a meter 10 meters above ground level, so ground level winds are slower and at one point in the race they had a headwind.

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  • 1runner1
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  • 1runner1
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    Originally posted by bruce3404 View Post
    Tracktown Schmacktown. I was shocked to see less than 30 seconds coverage of the great races today by former Ducks on tonight's local news. They actually used footage of Hasay running at Hayward. At least for Rupp they showed him just past the finish line.

    Putting Hasay's performance into perspective, she ran her great time on a tough course in pretty warm weather (and yes, I know Boston isn't a legal course, but it sure offers a tough finish). Put her on an easy, flat legal course with weather in the mid-50s instead of 70s and she might have broken 2:20.
    was the wind and "high" temp the reason the men ran 2:09?

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  • bambam1729
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  • bambam1729
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    Originally posted by NotDutra5 View Post
    Come on man. I was on this yesterday. Give a boy a little credit!
    Didn't see that, ND5, wasn't trying to steal your thunder.

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  • Conor Dary
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  • Conor Dary
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    Originally posted by NotDutra5 View Post
    Switzer has also taken advantage of the "first woman to run Boston" theme and built a bit of a legacy around it.
    Most definitely. But to be honest the road running scene in the early 70s was entirely men. So by the time the 80s rolled around and the need for women who had a recognizable name for the Bonne Belle races etc. Switzer didn't have much competition. After all Diana Nyad became a marathon 'expert' on ABC about then.

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  • NotDutra5
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  • NotDutra5
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    Switzer has also taken advantage of the "first woman to run Boston" theme and built a bit of a legacy around it.

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  • NotDutra5
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  • NotDutra5
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    Originally posted by bambam1729 View Post
    Actually first female Boston runner was Bobbi Gibb (but without #), not Katherine Switzer. All for Switzer and what she did for women's running but Bobbi Gibb is definitely glossed over by the media attention on Switzer.
    Come on man. I was on this yesterday. Give a boy a little credit!

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  • Conor Dary
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  • Conor Dary
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    Women weren't allowed officially to run Boston until 1972.
    Even in 1971, four years later, it was still men, 18 and over.

    Switzer may have had a race number entered under K. Switzer but I don't think Semple agreed that she was officially entered.

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  • BillVol
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  • BillVol
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    Originally posted by NotDutra5 View Post
    First official woman to run Boston. Roberta Gibb is generally credited with being the first woman to run the race.
    Thanks, ND

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  • bambam1729
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  • bambam1729
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    Originally posted by wamego relays champ View Post
    Pipp is certainly also better known than Babe Dahlgren.
    Well, damn, WRC, I just asked that question and you already had answered it.

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  • bambam1729
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  • bambam1729
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    Originally posted by tandfman View Post
    Wally Pipp? Not quite the same.
    The better question is, "Who replace Gehrig when he stepped out of the lineup circa 1937?" Not nearly as well known.

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  • wamego relays champ
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  • wamego relays champ
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    Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
    Indeed...Pipp is better known.
    Pipp is certainly also better known than Babe Dahlgren.

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  • Conor Dary
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  • Conor Dary
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    Originally posted by tandfman View Post
    Wally Pipp? Not quite the same.
    Indeed...Pipp is better known.

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