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  • #61
    Over 11000

    USA:12240
    GER:12000
    RUS:11909
    RSA:11898
    CUB:11786
    GBR:11759
    CZE:11693
    AUS:11676
    UKR:11667
    POL:11662
    CAN:11633
    FRA:11621
    SWE:11603
    ITA:11583
    FIN:11455
    BRA:11448
    CHN:11445
    SPA:11444
    BLR:11441
    GRE:11420
    NOR:11415
    JAM:11384
    NED:11365
    HUN:11312
    BUL:11245
    SUI:11242
    EST:11237
    ROM:11210
    LAT:11190
    BEL:11185
    AUT:11173
    QAT:11173
    LTU:11139
    CRO:11118
    NZL:11107
    SVK:11096
    UZB:11075
    SLO:11072
    KAZ:11072
    KSA:11067
    TUR:11059
    MEX:11051
    JPN:11042
    SRB:11023
    Last edited by Ken Takahashi; 09-14-2017, 02:16 PM.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Powell View Post
      You got five out of the top 6 right, but only one is in the right spot.

      BTW, I only used outdoor marks in my calculations (although I'm not sure it would have made any difference if I included indoors as well).
      Let's try again...

      1. USA
      2. Germany
      3. Poland
      4. Russia
      5. Czech Rep
      6. South Africa

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      • #63
        Originally posted by LopenUupunut View Post
        Let's try again...

        1. USA
        2. Germany
        3. Poland
        4. Russia
        5. Czech Rep
        6. South Africa
        Close enough You got it right, except for 5th and 6th, which are the other way around.

        Here's the top 20 by my calculation (hope I didn't miss any countries)
        1 USA 11628
        2 GER 11403
        3 POL 11356
        4 RUS 11189
        5 RSA 11152
        6 CZE 11076
        7 AUS 11062
        8 ESP 10977
        9 FRA 10939
        10 CHN 10907
        11 SWE 10906
        12 GBR 10884
        13 ITA 10862
        14 GRE 10853
        15 JAM 10832
        16 CAN 10812
        17 BRA 10803
        18 JPN 10764
        19 NED 10760
        20 UKR 10728
        Było smaszno, a jaszmije smukwijne...

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        • #64
          Germany isn't the IAAF, indoor records don't count outdoors here. LJ should be 8.54m, HJ 2.37m.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by norunner View Post
            Germany isn't the IAAF, indoor records don't count outdoors here. LJ should be 8.54m, HJ 2.37m.
            But you can't use different methodologies for different countries depending on each federation's rules. Either you include indoor results across the board or you don't.
            Było smaszno, a jaszmije smukwijne...

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            • #66
              Originally posted by powell View Post
              but you can't use different methodologies for different countries depending on each federation's rules. Either you include indoor results across the board or you don't.
              Don't!!

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              • #67
                Except for the PV and SP, outdoors is easier than indoors, so excluding indoors is silly. Further, these two actually are semi-acceptable for overall records, the semi reflecting that the shot has to be 'hard' without the soft (more gripable) cover often used indoors according to my understanding. Aaron, you can make your own list, but do not insist that others follow all of your rules.

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                • #68
                  The heptathlon is being conducted this weekend, right?

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Ken Takahashi View Post
                    Over 11000

                    USA:12240
                    GER:12000
                    RUS:11909
                    RSA:11898
                    CUB:11786
                    GBR:11759
                    CZE:11693
                    AUS:11676
                    UKR:11667
                    POL:11662
                    CAN:11633
                    FRA:11621
                    SWE:11603
                    ITA:11583
                    FIN:11455
                    BRA:11448
                    CHN:11445
                    SPA:11444
                    BLR:11441
                    GRE:11420
                    NOR:11415
                    JAM:11384
                    NED:11365
                    HUN:11312
                    BUL:11245
                    SUI:11242
                    EST:11237
                    ROM:11210
                    LAT:11190
                    BEL:11185
                    AUT:11173
                    QAT:11173
                    LTU:11139
                    CRO:11118
                    NZL:11107
                    SVK:11096
                    UZB:11075
                    SLO:11072
                    KAZ:11072
                    KSA:11067
                    TUR:11059
                    MEX:11051
                    JPN:11042
                    SRB:11023
                    Ireland close at 10977. Interestingly, by far the highest score is 1249 for the discus record (67.89) by Nick Sweeney, seldom mentioned in any conversation about our athletic heroes.

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                    • #70
                      pretty neat stuff, but what captures my imagination is how small the differences are within the top 20. I mean there is a very very wide range of population sizes among these nations and yet the delta across this deca average is fairly small.

                      There is something to be concluded in this, I dont know what it is but it is there.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by user4 View Post
                        pretty neat stuff, but what captures my imagination is how small the differences are within the top 20. I mean there is a very very wide range of population sizes among these nations and yet the delta across this deca average is fairly small.

                        There is something to be concluded in this, I dont know what it is but it is there.
                        To add a further dimension to the discussion, I have plotted the calculations from Ken's list against the actual decathlon records for each country in the attached image.
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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by lonewolf View Post
                          Has anyone ever compiled the average height/weight of elite decathletes?
                          I don’t know the exact # - as height and weight reporting is pretty murky and self reported - but Zarnowski said general guidance was height in cm over 1m was = to weight in kg. Ie - 1.83 = 83kg. 1.95= 95 kg and so son. Look at the great guys and that bears out pretty well, even for outliers like Clay 1.80 and 80kg or Hardee (1.95 and 95 kg). Russ Hodge might have been outside the range. (Think he was something like 1.90 and 100 kg). Mayer might be on the light end of the range as well by the looks of him.

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                          • #73
                            I looked at average height and weight of heptathletes a few years ago, I'll have to see if I can find it.
                            It used to fascinate me as there's a point where an athlete is 'too tall' or 'too heavy' to be good across all events. There's definitely an average for the elite, which we could class as 'optimal'. I recall it being around 1.78 height and something like 65kg for weight but I'd need to check. Any higher and the women struggle with the hurdles. Too heavy and they struggle with the jumps.

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