Berlin Marathon 2017

[Alan Shank]

It's also on NBCSN at midnight, PDT, Saturday night, but undoubtedly horribly cut up by commercials, most of which are scheduled for right when someone makes a big move. >:-)
Cheers,
Alan Shank

[wineturtle]

slightly off topic

Does the newest edition of Big Gold Book have the marathon pace pages showing sub 2:03 paces?

[Atticus]

several people on this board only care about times

Present!
Except for the OG/WC 'thons, I only look at the times.
I know I'm not alone.

[aaronk]

slightly off topic

Does the newest edition of Big Gold Book have the marathon pace pages showing sub 2:03 paces?

Don't know, as I own the 2012 edition!!
But here's the pace for 2:02:24---as close as I could figure it!

2:54 per K
5K at 14:30
10K in 29:00
15K in 43:30
20K in 58:00
Half in 1:01:12
25K in 1:12:30
30K in 1:27:00
35K in 1:41:30
40K in 1:56:00
Last 2195 meters in 6:24

Per Mile pace is about 4:39.6

[imarunr]

There is no way they will go 60min for the first half. That will result in a serious carnage in the second half. If the conditions are right, they will probably go 61:15-61:20.

Per Jon Gault over at LRC:

"Jos Hermens -- agent for Bekele and Kipchoge -- told me the plan is for pacers to hit halfway in 60:50. For reference, 61:28 is WR pace and 61:11 is the fastest first half split ever in a marathon (not counting Breaking2)"

[Atticus]

here's the pace for 2:02:24---as close as I could figure it!
10K in 29:00

Oofda!
So a 2:02:19 is sub-29 10Ks all the way!! That sounds really fast to me.

[Conor Dary]

Per Jon Gault over at LRC:

"Jos Hermens -- agent for Bekele and Kipchoge -- told me the plan is for pacers to hit halfway in 60:50. For reference, 61:28 is WR pace and 61:11 is the fastest first half split ever in a marathon (not counting Breaking2)"

Still amazing that Steve Jones was 61:42 32 years ago and without a rabbit.

[Fielding Melish]

In Toni Reavis story Berlin's dream race it says, "With its uber fast two-loop course. . ."

Incorrect. Take a look at map. One big loop around the city.

[exdrake]

Hang on--I'm trying to do the calculation for sub-2 if they run perfectly even half splits. nearly there.

[aaronk]

Hang on--I'm trying to do the calculation for sub-2 if they run perfectly even half splits. nearly there.

14:09.8 per 5000!
Brings you to 42K at 1:58:57.2!
Last 385 yards would be 62.7 (1:59:59.9)

[Alan Shank]

Good grief, folks! This is NOT rocket science.
2 hr = 120 min
120 / 42.195 = 2.844 - 2 = .844 * 60 = 50.63, so 2:50.63/kilo
2.844 * 5 = 14.22 - 14 = .22 * 60 = 13.2, so 14:13.2 for 5K

Or, just do it like 120 / 42.195 * 5 = 14.219.!

The only fact you need is that the marathon is 42.195 meters (or 26.21875 miles)
Sheesh,
Alan Shank

PS I threw together a spreadsheet with kilo, mile and 5K splits for every time between 2:03 and 2:00, every 10 seconds. If anyone wants a copy (which you should be able to easily adapt for any set of times), send me a private message. I also have a spreadsheet that takes input of every 5K split, then projects the final times two ways -- average pace and current pace (i.e. last 5K split).

[gh]

note from "Professor of Marathon" (Sean Hartnett), on the ground in Berlin: <<my biggest concern is the rising dew point that looks to be 52 or 53 for the race.>>

[TN1965]

note from "Professor of Marathon" (Sean Hartnett), on the ground in Berlin: <<my biggest concern is the rising dew point that looks to be 52 or 53 for the race.>>

So this is a bigger concern than the wind?

[NotDutra5]

So this is a bigger concern than the wind?

Dew point is actually a bigger issue than straight humidity and/or temperature issues. As to the wind, is it supposed to be windy or was that just a general question?

[TN1965]

Dew point is actually a bigger issue than straight humidity and/or temperature issues. As to the wind, is it supposed to be windy or was that just a general question?

It was supposed to be windy, the last time I checked. But that might have changed by now.