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  • #46
    Originally posted by El Toro View Post
    Maybe we only strongly remember the instances when there were at least two? I might look at a small selection to test it out.
    I wonder when Dani Samuels was last beaten by an Australian. I'm guessing it will be an unbeaten 15-yr streak by the time Tokyo comes around which could easily be an Australian record.

    Even going back in time (off the top of my head) can't think of any world-class Aussie - excepting Sal - who dominated for this long domestically.
    Last edited by Vault-emort; 02-01-2019, 10:39 PM.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Vault-emort View Post
      I wonder when Dani Samuels was last beaten by an Australian. I'm guessing it will be an unbeaten 15-yr streak by the time Tokyo comes around which could easily be an Australian record.

      Even going back in time (off the top of my head) can't think of any world-class Aussie - excepting Sal - who dominated for this long domestically.
      Willi Sawall walked and won until he was 40+ didn't he? I can't say if he was unbeaten though but he had longevity. Maybe Warwick Selvy in the discus also. I think Peter Farmer in hammer was undefeated but that was probably a decade max, same for Moneghetti at marathon. On the women's side, I can't think of anybody unopposed except maybe Jean Roberts for discus (and shot?)

      Again, interesting question.

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      • #48
        Selvey lost to Len Vlahov in the 69 Nationals, even if he was undefeated for the previous 9/10 years.

        Sawall placed 3rd in the 1989 National 50k Walk even if he had been undefeated since 1977.

        Farmer hardly competed in Australia after he went to college in the states and never won a senior national title. Roberts also didn't compete much in AUS after 1970, though she had lost the 66 national disc title to Jane Adams (Keen).

        But yeah - interesting topic.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Vault-emort View Post
          Selvey lost to Len Vlahov in the 69 Nationals, even if he was undefeated for the previous 9/10 years.

          Sawall placed 3rd in the 1989 National 50k Walk even if he had been undefeated since 1977.

          Farmer hardly competed in Australia after he went to college in the states and never won a senior national title. Roberts also didn't compete much in AUS after 1970, though she had lost the 66 national disc title to Jane Adams (Keen).

          But yeah - interesting topic.
          Point of order, Mr Chairman. The last motion tabled results including an additional qualifier, expanding from "by an Australian" to "by an Australian in Australia." I await your ruling!

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          • #50
            Originally posted by El Toro View Post
            I await your ruling!
            I am only Chairman of the Raving Looney track fan association, so you had better seek advice elsewhere.

            A Few marks from around the traps this weekend:

            BRISBANE
            100 (3.0) Chi Ho HKG 10.32 Williams 10.38 Hartmann 10.38
            200 (-2.6) Williams 20.96 Hartmann 21.07

            400 Jones 53.40 Connolly 54.83
            100H (-1.6) Lai Yiu HKG 13.66
            PV Campbell 4.20

            SYDNEY
            HEP Burnett 5689 (inc 1.88m HJ)

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            • #51
              Originally posted by El Toro View Post
              Point of order, Mr Chairman. The last motion tabled results including an additional qualifier, expanding from "by an Australian" to "by an Australian in Australia." I await your ruling!
              I think the additional qualifier makes sense. If one lives overseas for many years, as did Peter Farmer, and never faced an Australian Of. By consequence, it’s not too hard to extend one’s record of having never been beaten by a fellow Australian.

              Using what I admit is a rather bizarre comparison, young Edward Nketia has probably already gone 17 years without being defeated by a fellow kiwi.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Tuariki View Post
                I think the additional qualifier makes sense. If one lives overseas for many years, as did Peter Farmer, and never faced an Australian Of. By consequence, it’s not too hard to extend one’s record of having never been beaten by a fellow Australian.

                Using what I admit is a rather bizarre comparison, young Edward Nketia has probably already gone 17 years without being defeated by a fellow kiwi.
                And yet, both remain factually true.

                The real question is, who would have beaten Farmer/Nketia in the O/S time period? Answer, nobody, so the argument is moot.

                It's not like either had incredibly close competition so that they only remained undefeated by ducking the opposition by going O/S.

                Neither really did Jean Roberts as far as I know, which is not too far. V-e probably has every throw, venue, circle texture and wind direction and strength memorised, so I'll defer to him on that particular matter.

                You could also turn it around and say that an athlete once fouled out/false started overseas, therefore any domestic athlete who could have been there at the same time, in the same competition would have won. Again, that's true but no third rate athlete would get the chance, so it's moot.

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                • #53
                  Some decent (mainly sprint) fields in the ACT Champs this weekend including:

                  100 Williams Hale Miller NZL Abu-Ganaba Hartman
                  200 Wiliams Hale Miller Branco Abu-Ganaba Hartman
                  LJ Mitrevski Gould Smith Roper

                  100 Foster IRE Whittaker Hobbs NZL Breen Mucci Pasternatsky
                  200 Beecher Coates Whittaker Pasternatsky Wells
                  400 Oboya O'Grady Mitchell Blackburn Thomas Beer
                  800 Small Mitchell
                  100H Jenneke Clay Mucci Taddeo Clay
                  400H Wells Bing NZL Klein Gulli
                  HJ Joye Burnett
                  LJ Stratton Anang

                  Joe Miller is running but Ed Nketia looks to have avoided another race against a kiwi

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Vault-emort View Post
                    Some decent (mainly sprint) fields in the ACT Champs this weekend.....
                    Some of that sounds quite interesting. Is it enough to make me travel 2 miles to watch? Yeah, nah.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by El Toro View Post
                      Is it enough to make me travel 2 miles to watch? Yeah, nah.
                      The three other (non-family/friend) spectators will miss you

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Vault-emort View Post
                        I would think a 2-02/03 would be pleasing for Morgan.
                        I see Morgan got under 2-04 with a 2-03.93 PB in Box Hill last night beating Georgia Griffith (plus some solid 3000m races for others).

                        Also:

                        Perth - 2 Feb

                        PV Marschall 5.81 Carruthers 5.40
                        PV Parnova 4.47
                        Last edited by Vault-emort; 02-08-2019, 05:44 AM.

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                        • #57
                          CANBERRA - D1

                          Season's Best on a wet track for Wells and a PB for Bing, not far outside the 15yr old NZL record.

                          800 Perrott 1-47.74 Cohen 1-48.21 Hunter 1-48.50
                          400H Fry 51.59
                          800 Bisset 2-05.57 Hancock 2-07.08 Thornton-Bott 2-08.34 Small 2-08.86
                          400H Wells 55.47 Bing NZL 56.60 Klein 57.06 Cowie 57.18

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                          • #58
                            Canberra - Day 2 - results so far on a blustery day:

                            100m
                            H1 (4.5) Williams 10.24 Kamara 10.38
                            H2 (2.5) Hale 10.18 Asim 10.58
                            H3 (4.8) Holdsworth 10.29 Abu-Ganaba 10.37
                            H4 (7.2) Hartmann 10.28 Finegan 10.39
                            H5 (4.7) Romanin 10.45 Whitehead 10.62
                            H6 (3.7) Shelley 10.32 Penny 10.49
                            H7 (4.8) Despard 10.29 Jakeman 10.85
                            H8 (1.0) Bate 10.69 Agnew 10.78

                            LJ Roper 8.20 (2.1) & 7.73 (0.5) Smith 8.06 (1.4) Mitrevski 7.70 (2.3) & 7.50 (1.6)
                            JAV Peacock 76.95 Ward 69.60

                            H1 (0.7) Hobbs NZL 11.42 Eaton 11.74
                            H2 (3.5) Owusu 11.48 Coates 11.52 Taddeo 11.64
                            H3 (1.6) Byrne 11.91 Whittaker 11.92
                            H4 (2.6) Mucci 11.69 Pasternatsky 11.84
                            H5 (3.7) Foster IRE 11.58 Burkitt 11.59

                            HJ McDermott 1.94
                            LJ Stratton 6.70 (5.2) & 6.50 (0.7), Anang 6.65 (3.8) & 6.37 (0.5) Wagner 6.36 (1.4) Hedding 6.32 (1.6)

                            AND later:

                            100 (1.4) Hale 10.25 Williams 10.30 Holdsworth 10.40 Abu-Ganaba 10.40 Despard 10.43 Hartmann 10.44
                            400 Beck 46.89 Goodwin 47.23 Gunn 47.31

                            100 (2.6) Hobbs NZL 11.42 Mucci 11.55 Coates 11.57 Owusu 11.63 Foster IRE 11.74
                            400 Oboye 53.62 Blackburn 53.97 Beer 54.03
                            JAV Bell 52.63
                            Last edited by Vault-emort; 02-09-2019, 07:52 PM.

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                            • #59
                              D3 - morning session
                              Coolish, near-still start to the day. Wind is supposed to get up a bit later.

                              200 Prelims (top seeds will start in R2/SF)
                              Hammond 21.52 (-1.4) Bate 21.78 (0.4)

                              200
                              H1 (0.1) Pasternatsky 24.04 Edwards 24.50
                              H2 (0.5) Beecher 23.45 Blackburn 24.22
                              H3 (0.1) Bing NZL 23.76 Wells 23.98
                              H4 (-0.7) Eaton 24.38 Gaffney 24.58
                              H5 (-1.3) Rubie 24.16 Beer 24.78
                              H6 (0.6) Hobbs NZL 23.64 Owusu 23.98

                              Was gonna head down for the last couple of hours but AACT scared me away with their warnings about road closures/parking issues due to Tryathlon

                              Trae Williams was DQ in final (false-start) but allowed to run.

                              200 - semis unofficial
                              S1 (-0.4) Hartmann 21.05
                              S2 (1.4) Kamara 21.38
                              S3 (0.4) Hale 21.15
                              S4 (0.4) Branco 20.90
                              S5 (-0.1) Williams 21.10
                              A (1.7) Hartmann 20.68 Asim 20.92 Johns 20.94 Shelley 21.01 Williams (2nd) DQ Branco & Hale DNS

                              110H (1.0) McCorry 13.99 Andrews 14.05
                              TJ Jones 16.30 (1.5) Konie 16.14 (1.1) Fakiye 16.07 (1.5) James 16.00 (1.1)

                              200
                              A (1.8) Hobbs 23.19 Owusu 23.28 Beecher 23.34 Wells 23.47 Rubie 23.50 Bing 23.57 Pasternatsky 23.77 Eaton 23.86
                              B (1.8) Beer 23.95

                              100H (-0.5) Jenneke 13.47 Taddeo 13.59 Willis 13.60 Jones 13.74
                              Last edited by Vault-emort; 02-10-2019, 02:02 AM.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Vault-emort View Post
                                200
                                A (1.8) Hobbs 23.19 Owusu 23.28 Beecher 23.34 Wells 23.47 Rubie 23.50 Bing 23.57 Pasternatsky 23.77 Eaton 23.86
                                B (1.8) Beer 23.95
                                That 23.47 (+1.8) by Wells is a big PB, dropping from 23.80 (+0.6) at the same venue 2 years ago. However, she did give notice one month ago when she ran a slightly windy 23.35 (2.2), again at the same venue.

                                This goes with her best 400H opener recently (and her first loss for ages), and now she runs the fastest time for the last two years, in her next race. This is also her second fastest time ever in Australia and only by 2 hundreths. This move to full-time work and reduced training seems to be working out well(s)! List of Wells' best 10 hurdles below.

                                Rank AusRank Time Location Date
                                1 64 55.08 Oordegem (BEL) 6-Jul-13
                                2 73 55.23 Kawasaki (JPN) 8-May-16
                                3 75 55.25 Osaka (JPN) 8-May-10
                                4 78 55.30 Split (CRO) 4-Sep-10
                                =5 82 55.37 Moskva (RUS) 12-Aug-13
                                =5 82 55.37 London (GBR) 22-Jul-16
                                6 85 55.45 Sydney (AUS) 18-Feb-12
                                7 86 55.47 Canberra (AUS) 8-Feb-19
                                8 87 55.48 Rieti (ITA) 29-Aug-10
                                9 88 55.49 Shizuoka (JPN) 3-May-10
                                NB It might appear shocking that Wells is number 3 Australian performer all-time but only has the 64th best performance, but this tells us just how good Flintoff and Pittman were.

                                Edit to add: I noticed that Wells is now the only Australian athlete over 30 to crack 56 with her two runs this year. Flintoff stopped at 29 and Pittman at 28.
                                Last edited by El Toro; 02-10-2019, 04:55 AM.

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